On Patience & Paying Dues in the SEC
Living in southwest Virginia for the last six years, Virginia Tech has become my secondary team. The Hokies have won 10+ games eight years in a row, the only school in the nation to do that. They've won the ACC Coastal Division five of the last seven years, won the ACC Championship three of the last five years, and played in BCS bowl games four of the last five years. And after several less glamorous matchups in their three previous BCS appearances (Kansas, Cincinnati, Stanford), now they get to face the team that's won more college football games than any other. In New Orleans, no less, after three straight trips to Miami (when I was talking about this point tonight after church, someone instantly and rightfully said, "You forgot one.")
The vast, vast majority of college football fans would trade their team's last eight years for what's gone on in Blacksburg. But though the Hokies continue to pack Lane Stadium every Thursday/Saturday, ticket sales for their Sugar Bowl matchup with Michigan have been way down: two weeks in, Virginia Tech has barely sold half of their allotment according to The Roanoke Times. There are reasons both good and bad for that, but it's interesting to read the "Virginia Tech fans speak out" section at the end of that article, as well as this story and the comments from Gobbler Country. (And to be fair, perhaps I'm failing to understand why everyone wouldn't want pay hundreds of dollars and travel hundreds of miles to put a beatdown on Michigan; maybe that's just us.) But I say all of that to say this: whether it's at the top of the list or simply on it, complacency is a significant factor in Virginia Tech's lagging ticket sales. They win at an extraordinary rate...and they're far too used to it.
See, I remember when Tennessee was the school that traveled well. And I also remember how few people cared about playing in our third straight Bowl Alliance/BCS game after the 1999 season when the Vols faced Nebraska at the end of a 9-2 campaign that was one or two plays away from being a chance at a repeat National Championship. The Vols went 54-8 from 1995-1999, winning a pair of SEC Championships and the big prize in 1998. Winning wasn't just what we did, it was who we were.
That stretch of years is why I laugh every time someone described a loss this season as "the worst, ever." Because even though Arkansas became the first team to beat us by 40+ in my lifetime and we lost to Kentucky for the first time since 1984, the cold and sad fact is losses don't hurt nearly as much when you're so used to them. The first seven of those losses during that 95-99 run were devastating. The eighth was Nebraska in that bowl game that we decided we didn't really care about, because a BCS at-large bid wasn't good enough for Tennessee.
You know why the best coaches and athletes usually say they hate losing more than they love winning? It's because winning is just another weekend for them. When you're that good, it's losing that stands out.
And when you're this bad, losing is normal. And you tell yourself that if you ever got back - whatever you've decided that looks like - you'll never, ever be complacent again. Because you've lost for so long, now you start to realize that what you once took completely for granted - "Tennessee is good at football" - was and is never guaranteed.
The good news here is, we're not alone.
It's probably also in our nature as fans to assume that whatever is happening to us is better or worse than whatever has happened to anyone else. No team has ever had a defense they believed in more than we did in 1998. No team has ever had a quarterback they loved more than we love Peyton Manning.
And of course, no program has gone through as difficult a time as we have in the last four years.
But Tennessee's struggles, while unique in their specific details, are not generally alone. In fact, if we take a look at our contemporaries in the SEC, we'll find at least a few similarities in the last thirty years.
To be a college football fan for life is to embrace the roller coaster. If you're of my generation, there was no way to understand this when the Vols were winning from 1989-2001, a remarkable period when Tennessee won at least nine games eleven out of thirteen years, and only went 8-4 in the other two because of early season injuries at quarterback.
But we also struggle with the truth of the roller coaster now, when it's all come hurtling down at breakneck speed and seems to refuse to climb again.
But take a look around, and we'll see we're not the only ones to experience its rise and fall:
ALABAMA
The Run: 1991-96: 63-11-1 (.851), 1992 National Champions, 4 division titles (all Gene Stallings)
The Fall: 1997-2007: 74-61 (.548), 1999 SEC Champions, 5 head coaches in 11 years
The Rise: 2008-2011: 47-6 (.886), 2009 National Champions, 2 division titles, 3 BCS bowls
(...as you know, these records come with a healthy dose of asterisks)
The best comparison to what's happened in Knoxville comes from our greatest rivals. Alabama's run under Gene Stallings may have lacked the hardware outside the 1992 season, but as is the case with us in the early-to-mid-90s as well, just because Steve Spurrier was at Florida doesn't mean you didn't have a really good football team too.
The eleven year period following Stallings' retirement featured a distinct pattern: two down years, one up year, one coaching change. Mike DuBose went 4-7 and 7-5, then won the SEC at 10-3 in 1999. He was fired after the Tide went 3-8 in 2000. Dennis Franchione went 7-5 and then 10-3, then left for Texas A&M. Then the whole Mike Price thing happened, and while it lacked the sense of personal betrayal we experienced with Lane Kiffin, its potential consequences were just as devastating. Mike Shula went 4-9 and 6-6 in his first two years, then went 10-2. Raise your hand if you'd take 10-2 next year, Vol fans. If you're going to be a fan of the "Derek Dooley is Mike Shula" comparisons, Year Three is the time.
But alas, Shula went 6-6 (plus Joe Kines did this, which shouldn't be forgotten, en route 6-7) the next year, and he was gone. Nick Saban went 7-6 and lost to Louisiana-Monroe in his first season (Kentucky is the new Louisiana-Monroe, you know. I guarantee you Dooley has a good line about Pearl Harbor if someone would just ask him.)
And then - in the season opener in the Georgia Dome against an ACC foe, no less! - everything changed for Alabama.
But before we get to the good part, take the time to appreciate that overall, Alabama was an average football team for eleven years. The three ten win seasons stand out, but they were all quickly swallowed up by the sudden departure of the coach who led them there, all less than one year later.
Which was worse: an Alabama fan from 1997-2007, or a Tennessee fan from 2008-now?
FLORIDA
Act One: 1990-2001: 122-27-1 (.818), 1996 National Champions, 6 SEC Championships
Intermission: 2002-2004: 23-15 (.605), zero division titles, zero bowl wins
Act Two: 2005-2009: 57-10 (.850), 2006 & 2008 National Champions
The Present: 2010-2011: 14-11 (.560)
Steve Spurrier at Florida was the bane of everyone's existence in this league, and if you're reading here you don't need me to explain that to you. An interesting question for Florida fans would be to compare their feelings during the Ron Zook years to the last two seasons. Zook was easily forgotten when Urban Meyer rode into town, who sandwiched a Tim Tebow Heisman Trophy with a pair of National Championships, then followed up with an undefeated regular season.
And then it got weird. Meyer was sick, Meyer was stressed, Dan Mullen was replaced with Steve Addazio was replaced with Charlie Weis, and Florida has been an average football team for the last two years. In the grand scheme of things, two years isn't a very long time. But I guarantee you for Florida fans, it feels a very long way from 2009. They're living vicariously through Tim Tebow right now, but what's the guarantee the Gators will be much better in 2012? How sure is anyone that Will Muschamp can do it at this level?
Their suffering is shorter and their issues fewer in number. But Tennessee's excuse under Derek Dooley has been talent, plain and simple. What's Florida's excuse right now?
GEORGIA
The Dooley: 1980-83: 43-4-1 (.914), 1980 National Champions, 3 SEC Championships
The Good But Never Great: 1984-2001: Vince Dooley 40-17-3, Ray Goff 46-34-1, Jim Donnan 40-19, Mark Richt 8-4: Combined 134-74-4 (.644), zero SEC Championships, zero division titles
The Rise of Mark Richt: 2002-2008: 74-18 (.804), 2002 & 2005 SEC Champions, three division titles
The Fall of Mark Richt: 2009-2010: 14-12 (.538)
The Now of Mark Richt: 2011: 10-3, SEC East Champions
It was a different SEC, perhaps, but good grief Georgia was stout in the early 80s. In places outside Knoxville, they may also refer to this as, "The Herschel".
And then Georgia spent eighteen years being generally good but never great. From 1984-2001, the Dawgs had only three losing seasons. But they only won ten games twice...and they never won the SEC, and never sniffed Atlanta.
This is probably a different brand of frustration, but I have no doubt that it was frustration all the same. When Georgia was at their best during this run under Donnan in the mid-to-late-90s, Tennessee and Florida were simply better. Once Steve Spurrier and Phillip Fulmer arrived on the scene, Georgia went a combined 2-18 against the Gators and Vols until Richt arrived.
Though Richt still hasn't mastered the Gators overall, he did bring massive improvement to Athens: Georgia got over the proverbial hump, won a pair of SEC Championships and finished third in the 2002 AP poll. While Ron Zook was at Florida, Richt made sure it was Georgia and not Tennessee who took advantage, as the Dawgs went to Atlanta three times in four years from 2002-2005.
But Richt has some Fulmer in him: setting the bar so high so fast that you catch heat when you're unable to reach or exceed it every season. Some may also want to make the Fulmer comparison to this season, where the Dawgs lost early and had fans in an uproar, but rebounded to win the SEC East before losing to what could be another National Champion LSU team in Atlanta. But the difference in Fulmer 2007 and Richt 2011 is who they lost to: while we do share the non-conference season opener, Georgia's only other loss came in a close game to South Carolina. Fulmer was blown out by UT's two biggest rivals. I would think Richt's seat now would be considerably cooler than Fulmer's was in December 2007, because Georgia beat Tennessee, Florida, Auburn, and Georgia Tech this year. Still, one has to wonder about what would happen if Georgia went back to struggling next season.
Nonetheless, while we can easily see that the Vols have had as many losing seasons in the last four years as Georgia did in that eighteen year stretch, we can also easily appreciate how frustrating it must have been to be a UGA fan during many (most?) of those same eighteen years. If Virginia Tech fans can find it increasingly difficult to enjoy eight straight ten win seasons today, how hard must it have been for Georgia to find the joy in another eight win season during that stretch?
SOUTH CAROLINA
Everything before the last two years in the SEC: 101-99-1 (.505)
The Last Two Years: 19-7 (.730), 2010 division title
South Carolina fans have always been, to me, the most pleasant to be around. I'm sure there are parts of this that had to do with their inability to beat the Vols between Steve Tanneyhill and Steve Spurrier. But still, this has to be the most appreciative bunch in the SEC. True story: their victory in the Carquest Bowl in 1994 was the first in the history of the program. That wasn't that long ago. Four years later they were 1-10, then put the goose egg up the following season.
Fans tend to take on the nature of their head coach, and so the more success Spurrier has in Columbia the less we'll be inclined to use words like "pleasant" to describe them, I'm sure. But this program is a study in more than just patience. For instance, that eighteen year stretch that Georgia "suffered" through? I'd imagine Carolina would've traded with them.
And that's the thing: it's all relative, and every season is unique. Which would be a good lesson for us to learn:
TENNESSEE
The Good Old Days: 1989-2001: 120-29-3 (.805), 1998 National Champions, 4 SEC Championships
The Slide: 2002-2007: 52-25 (.675), 2004 & 2007 SEC East Champions, zero SEC titles, zero BCS bowls
The Crash: 2008-2011: 23-27 (.460), three head coaches in four years
Here's a question I like to ask Tennessee fans: did you enjoy 2007?
Not did you enjoy The Swamp, or watching DeSean Jackson run a punt back, or watching Alabama inexplicably blow us out and set records in the passing game. But when we blasted what would become #2 Georgia, did you enjoy it? And when we beat Kentucky in that final overtime and won the SEC East, did you enjoy it?
Were you capable of calling that a good season? Because it was, you know.
We've repeatedly tried to point out that it can't be about "getting back". In part because that phrase will get used way too early and way too often; if you know Bammers or owned a computer in the last fifteen years, you heard it prematurely on three different occasions from our friends in Tuscaloosa. In hindsight, we can say that Bama was "back" they night they beat Clemson in 2008. But it takes years of consistency and winning at a high level and, of course, a ring, to really prove it. One season - good or bad - can be a fluke.
But you also shouldn't focus on "getting back" if you're looking for the Tennessee team that went 45-5 from 1995-1998, or the one that went 37-0 against SEC teams not named Florida from October 1994-November 1999.
I'm not saying it can't be done: Nick Saban and Urban Meyer (when he retired the first time) both had higher winning percentages than Gene Stallings and Steve Spurrier at their respective schools (which is really impressive, by the way).
I'm saying we shouldn't act like it's the standard. Like if Derek Dooley or whoever might one day follow him doesn't go 45-5 in a five year span, they're not doing their job well.
And remember, there are no guarantees. When Alabama was in the midst of that eleven year stretch of scandal and the average football that comes with it, I'm sure their fans wondered when they would ever play good football again. I'm sure Georgia fans wondered if they could ever consistently compete in an SEC East that was once so thoroughly dominated by Florida and Tennessee. Notre Dame has spent almost twenty years waiting to "get back", Florida State more than a decade.
There are never any guarantees, but it's also not coincidence that traditional powerhouses - though they ultimately can't escape the roller coaster - tend to return to the peaks. Traditional powerhouses are so for reasons that run deeper than in-state recruiting talent. They have the structures and the support in place to sustain themselves. They've done the work of giving themselves a chance. It may be easier to win big at Texas or USC than it is in Knoxville, but it's still easier to win big in Knoxville than in most other places in college football. The University of Tennessee will do everything it can to put its football program in the best possible position to win. But it will always be up to that team that season to go out there and do it.
It's never as good or as bad as you think it is, but that's really only half-true. Because to the fans and players and coaches involved with their teams, it's always exactly as good or exactly as bad as you think it is. For our generation of Tennessee fans, the past four years have been the lowest valley we've ever known. But I also know that when we asked last week if 2011 was the worst year in the history of UT's athletic department, I got a lot of emails telling me about 1977-78. Those older and wiser than me have more perspective, while my generation struggles with our own personal rock bottom.
But fans always share a common bond of struggle and celebration. While each experience remains unique, I would imagine there was something very similar about the way Alabama fans felt for eleven years and the way we feel now. Or the way South Carolina fans felt to finally get to the Georgia Dome compared to some of our biggest moments. Being a college football fan is the same as everything else in life: you get out of it what you put in to it. And as fans in general and Tennessee fans specifically, we're never alone.
Because it's the ride itself that keeps us all coming back.
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Reading the "You forgot one" link
Oh, the cautious optimism of the end of what we thought was Year One of the Kiffin Era… how naive we were.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
Props to Hooper for calling South Carolina's shot in 2010 in the comments of that post
by Will Shelton on Dec 19, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Wow.
That may have been the most salient comment I have ever made.
by David Hooper on Dec 19, 2011 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, you pretty much hit that one
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 19, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
I just read my own comment
and I said that our offensive line play would be terribad in 2010 and that the team had a general problem with focus, and that I was extremely worried.
man, I hate it when I’m right
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 19, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
What makes it tough for me
is that the SEC is currently at the top of its game while Tennessee is at the bottom. All eyes are on the SEC now with the TV deal and national championships coming in each year, and we are suffering through a very bad drought that seems even worse with the recognition the other schools are receiving. Hard to have patience when your biggest rivals are having so much success.
The historical perspective is nice though Will. Keeps my hopes alive that we will climb out of this hole eventually.
by The Life & Opinions of Boone, Gentleman on Dec 19, 2011 10:26 AM EST reply actions
The good news here is, it's the SEC West that's really on top
and next year LSU will be clearly be the most talented team in the conference again, with only Georgia from our division as any sort of highly regarded team coming into the year. Arkansas could still be up, Auburn gets as much back as we do, and Alabama will be living off their reputation coming into the year, even though they lose a lot.
South Carolina went 10-2 this season, and I feel like we spent all year wondering if they were any good. It’s not as hard as we might think for one team to break through in the current East landscape.
by Will Shelton on Dec 19, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know if it was you or somebody else (but I think it was someone else)
that I’ve argued with a bit before on the 2007 Tennessee and 2011 Georgia comparison, but I’ll do it again now.
This isn’t Georgia’s 2007. As you point out, they haven’t gotten blown out by their big rivals, who then went on to have bad years and let them slip into Atlanta. This is Georgia’s 2006. We don’t think of the 2006 comparison because we didn’t make the SEC Championship. But. . .
*2006 was the first year after our losing season (2011 is Georgia’s first year after a losing season).
*We put up a regular season record of 9-3 (2011 Georgia put up a regular season record of 10-2).
*We only had one SEC East loss, a heartbreaker at home to Florida, 21-20 (2011 Georgia only had one SEC East loss, a heartbreaker at home to South Carolina)
*We gutted out some ugly ones midseason, like 16-13 over Alabama and 31-24 over South Carolina (2011 Georgia gutted out some ugly ones midseason, 20-12 over Tennessee, 33-28 over Vandy, 24-20 over Florida)
*We finished with an uninspiring 17-12 home win over Kentucky (2011 Georgia finished with a 19-10 home win over Kentucky)
*We had one real win that made us believe we were back: 35-14 over Cal (2011 Georgia had 45-7 over Auburn)
The difference is that we played the two best teams in the SEC West that year, and our marquee non-con was a little bit overrated, while Georgia played the three worst teams in the SEC West, and their non-con was not overrated. But as far as the actual play of the team—promising but not dominant at QB and RB, a new star breaking out at WR, a stout defense that can win some games—I think this comparison is very, very strong. 2007 was way different. That was an offense that had pretty much broken out trying to hold up a defense that was really, really young (and thus really, really terrible)
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 19, 2011 11:14 AM EST reply actions
This makes a lot of sense.
It actually does make me feel a little bit better, but it also explains why these last few years have hurt so much, personally.
I was born in 1989, so the Vols have literally been a very good to great football team for my entire life until the last few years. I’m not used to down years. :(
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by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 19, 2011 12:07 PM EST reply actions
Good research
Getting some historical perspectives and comparisons with other SEC teams’ miseries serves a good reminder that this down time won’t last forever. Just got to let it all play out now.
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I’ve been waiting for somebody to write exactly this for a while. Very well said, WiIl.
I recall reading an interview with Bobby Bowden a while back, discussing FSU’s decline over the last chunk of his tenure. The thing that stuck out was an actually fairly sage point he made about how much luck is involved in winning- you can have the pieces fall into place for a run one season, but the really difficult thing is maintaining continual, sustained success. And this from a guy who just had to roll out of bed to nab 4 and 5 star recruits.
I think it’s really important to take the longer view here- we’re still an elite program. I don’t think there’s anything to suggest that long-term, Tennessee football is on the decline. We have none of the shrinking appeal/winnowing recruiting pool problems that a Notre Dame or some of the Big 10 teams have, we aren’t anywhere near in danger of having an under-dedicated or underfunded athletic department, and despite the totally insanity and lousy records of the last 5 years we’ve still managed to pull in top-20 recruiting classes every year under Dooley. It may not help much, looking up from the bottom of the smoking crater that was this season, but whether it’s under Dooley or somebody else, Tennessee has all the long-term elements in place to be back, and back fairly soon.
by _trey_ on Dec 19, 2011 2:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
It's cliche that "every game counts"
but in regards to Bowden’s point, yeah, every play counts. We’re familiar with this with Justin Hunter this year, but also consider that if Erik Ainge doesn’t get hurt in 2004 and 2006 (which were the fault of stupid play calls more than dumb luck) we could’ve been talking about a BCS at-large bid in either year. Not sure if that would’ve been enough to save Fulmer or anything, but that’s why college football is great: unlike any other major sport, everything can change on every play.
by Will Shelton on Dec 19, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
It's also interesting to look at some of the other traditional powers down years
like Oklahoma, Nebraska, Michigan, Notre Dame, USC, even Texas. Some of these program’s dips were deeper than our’s have been so far.

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