Peyton Manning, Eric Berry, and Kansas City: A Tennessee Fan's Dream
I write this, of course, as a Tennessee Vol fan, which colors the whole thing. I simply point this out for any Chiefs fans that might stumble their way to this post and vehemently disagree with any or all of it. The argument here isn't necessarily what's best for the Chiefs - though it might be just that - it's what's best for UT fans.
I also write it as a Tennessee Titans fan, which means I've spent much of this week trying to figure out which of their three playoff scenarios is the least complicated (answer: none of them). But for the other franchise that holds the hearts of Tennesseans, the scenario this weekend is quite simple. If the Indianapolis Colts fall to the Jacksonville Jaguars, Indy finishes at 2-14 and will lock up the number one overall pick in the 2012 NFL Draft. But if the Colts win their third straight to finish at 3-13, St. Louis could finish behind them at 2-14 with a loss to San Francisco. The fate of Andrew Luck hangs in the balance.
And so does the fate of Peyton Manning, our most beloved son. We broached this subject back in mid-August, when Manning's injury was more of a mystery but the assumption was he would play. In the poll with that story, 43% of our readers said their favorite NFL team was Indianapolis, with 31% going for the home-state Titans. (By the way, UT/Indy fans - how many games have you watched this season? My grandparents, who are the poster "children" for the UT/Indy Manning Superfan, watched Week 1 and 2, then started watching Eli and the Giants every week.)
I ask that question because the assumption has always been that when Manning retires - which we now know is coming sooner rather than later - the large percentage of Vol fans who followed him faithfully each Sunday would migrate to a new team. We've discussed before that the Titans make the most sense, but because Manning has been their division rival for almost his entire career, the more you followed the Colts the less you cheered for the Titans. For those who took their Sunday viewing seriously, it may not be so easy to just become a Titans fan. It might be easy to become a Tyler Bray fan, but that's a story for a different day.
But Manning's on-field time in Indianapolis could already be over, and UT/Indy fans have had an entire season to get used to it. That will ease whatever pain - which may not even exist for many - might come if/when Manning leaves Indianapolis for a new location for the twilight of his career. If the Colts finish at the bottom, we'll have four months worth of conversation about what Indy should do and where Manning should go.
But for that percentage of Vol/Colt fans, and for Vol/Titan fans, there is one realistic option that we like much more than any other:
Peyton Manning should join the Kansas City Chiefs.
I'm not alone here: earlier this month Mel Kiper said that Manning should land in Kansas City, which was followed up two weeks ago by a story in the Kansas City Star citing concerns about Manning's age and health being a major risk for the Chiefs, given their young core of players.
Manning's health is a major risk for any team - I'm not downplaying or ignoring that here, I'm simply stating that anyone who takes him or Indianapolis if it trades the pick and keeps him, you're on limited time and dealing with a scary situation. It's a factor for everyone.
But to have concerns about Manning's age or his influence on a young core of players is absurd. You can break out all the stats on other 36 year old quarterbacks all you want, but there is no valid comparison to Peyton Manning. He's not Donovan McNabb, he's not Dan Marino, he's not Joe Montana (though more on him in a minute). Manning's injury is a very valid reason to be hesitant. But there's nothing about his play on the field, at any age before the injury, that would make you think you wouldn't want him on your team (or around your young players). In fact, we've just spent the entire season seeing exactly how valuable Manning really was in Indianapolis. This isn't the place to have the Brady or Manning debate or discuss his place among the all-time greats. But what you do know is that he's on that list, and he never showed any signs of slowing down until this injury. The next time Manning's on-field performance shows significant decline due to age will be the first time.
So...let's say the Colts suck out and earn the number one pick. 63% of voters on our SB Nation Colts blog Stampede Blue don't want Indy to lose on purpose on Sunday, for what it's worth. I'll let Colts fans debate the merits of sticking with their injured hero vs. trading for the can't miss kid from Stanford. But for the purposes of this exercise, let's say they want to move Manning.
And let's be realistic - while it would be fun to watch Manning throw touchdowns to Jason Witten in Dallas, the Cowboys aren't going in that direction. Neither are the Texans, so no handing off to Arian Foster...which also wouldn't get him out of the AFC South.
For UT fans? The 43% who like the Colts will follow Peyton anywhere. But the 31% of Titans fans who, like me, really want to cheer for Manning every week, especially as his career has fewer and fewer games left in it, but haven't been able to because his success meant less for the Titans?
I'd really love for Manning to go to the NFC...but of the realistic options on the table, absolutely none would be better for UT fans than for Manning to land with the Chiefs.
That's because the only player on campus in Knoxville who has even come close to the level of adoration that Manning still holds is Eric Berry.
There have been other great players like Jamal Lewis and Albert Haynesworth. But even those of whom we speak with the highest honor, like Al Wilson, can't come close to the levels of love that Manning and Berry achieved. Al Wilson was the leader of a National Championship team, but we really only associate him with that season; much of his work before that was overshadowed playing on a defense with Leonard Little and a team, of course, with Manning.
But Eric Berry was the first guy since Manning who stood out so strongly as a freshman that it made you think, "Oh man, we get AT LEAST two more years of this guy?!"...and then followed it up with brilliance for the rest of their career. And both are, by all accounts, outstanding human beings off the field. Manning played the game's most popular position, changed the Tennessee-Alabama rivalry, won UT's first SEC Championship Game and should've won a Heisman Trophy. Berry was different, the great player on less-talented teams, but that made us focus in on him so much more. His hits, his interception returns, and simply his presence in the defensive backfield made #14 a must-watch on every snap. Their play and their longevity in Knoxville stand alone, as does their adoration from the fan base.
So if they were on the same NFL team, on different sides of the ball? You'd watch. I would too.
Manning in Kansas City would join Berry on the SEChiefs - Dwayne Bowe, Dexter McCluster, Leonard Pope, Kendrick Lewis, Justin Houston, Glenn Dorsey, Javier Arenas, and of course, Dustin Colquitt. And as someone who particularly enjoyed Manning getting the best of Rex Grossman in the Super Bowl, you'd get Manning vs. Tebow in the AFC West.
The Chiefs picked up Kyle Orton from waivers this season and Matt Cassel will return, but Orton will become a free agent...and Cassel ain't Manning. Kansas City needs a new head coach and will have decisions to make at the quarterback position...but remember, they played this game before with Joe Montana, who left San Francisco to end his career with the Chiefs. In his only two years in KC, Joe Cool led the Chiefs to the AFC Championship Game in 1993 and back to the playoffs in 1994; the 1993 run is the last time the Chiefs won a playoff game. It's worked before. It can work again.
Get Manning away from the Titans. Let Tennessee fans be united in support for their favorite player for the last chapter of his career. Send Peyton Manning to a team that has the young core capable of victory now, including the most loved Vol since Manning himself...a team that could be just one quarterback away from the real thing.
I've love nothing more than to see Peyton Manning healthy in a Chiefs uniform next fall.
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The Chiefs haven't won a playoff game in nearly 20 years? I had no idea.
That being said, I think you outlined the one scenario that might – might – make me care a little bit about the NFL.
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
I'm all over this
I could break out the KC Montana jersey
As a UT/Colts fan who has watched no more than two minutes of NFL play this season
I’m down. Might actually watch too
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 30, 2011 12:00 PM EST reply actions
I'm a die hard Vols and Titans fan.
When I was a kid, it was the 1998 Vols and the 1999 Titans that turned me into the football fan that I am.
Nothing would make me happier than to see Peyton Manning on a team that’s not in the AFC South. Pair him with Berry? Well, I could probably even pull for that team, as long as they aren’t playing the Titans.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 30, 2011 1:06 PM EST reply actions
If Bud Adams wasn't a complete moron...
he’d do everything in his power to get Peyton and make him his starting QB. But given the way he handled the stadium building in Nashville, and overtures from UT upon moving here I’m not holding my breath.
They’d be selling out preseason games a season in advance with his return to Tennessee.
The Titans' future at QB is tied into Jake Locker
and by the time they figure out if he can or can’t, Manning will be retired. That would obviously be my dream scenario as a Vol/Titan fan, but it’s not realistic.
by Will Shelton on Dec 30, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Understandably...
but it would be a long term coup in terms of building the Titans fanbase to get Peyton. It would cost an arm and a leg right now, and be questioned in the short term… but actually get Peyton fans used to attending games at LP and pulling for the Titans and they will be unlikely to stop after Peyton is gone.
I really believe the Titans could end up with a Green Bay type loyalty if they did this. On a side note I still think extending a hand to UT and doing some legitimate cross promotion would have much of the same effect, but from what I’ve heard Adams is extremely dismissive towards UT.
I don't know if there is some NFL reason why this would be hard to do, or if UT would be the problem, but...
If the Titans would play a game every season in Neyland and maybe the Liberty Bowl, that would get me much more interested. If you want to be the “Tennessee” Titans and not just the Nashville Titans, it seems like you should be interested in branching more aggressively into the other divisions of the state. It seems like if teams can go to London, the Titans can come to Knoxville.
Apparently...
the whole reason they came to Tennessee was a discussion between Adams and Mayor(later Governor) Bredesen during a preseason game at Neyland. Very odd that they haven’t come back.
Vol/Indy fan here....
As you can probably tell by the name. I have watched every single Colts game this year thanks to firstrowsports.tv and will continue to watch every Colts game even after Peyton is gone. The Colts appealed to me not only because of having Peyton Manning but because how they always done things the right way. You never seen a big headed player on their team and they always preached next man up no matter who got injured. I have been following the Colts I guess since 99 when I really got interested in football and have been a die hard fan every since. Though its been tough being a Colt fan in TN due to the rivalry I have made it work by keeping up with the team through fan blogs, team websites and here the past couple years through twitter. I am just going to go out and say that Mannning will always be a Colt and the only way he does not suit up in the blue and white next year is if his injury forces him to retire. Manning has done more for the city of Indy and for the Colts organization than any other player has done for any other team. If it wasn’t for him they would have no superbowl no new stadium and probably be called the Los Angelas Colts right now. Not only does Jim Irsay(the owner) know this but everyone who follows football should know this as well. And I repeat there is no way Jim Irsay lets Manning put on another uniform. And the thought that Manning can’t win with the current Colts team is pretty crazy. This 2-13 Colts team is the same one that Manning has been winning 10+ games a year with. Of course a couple of talented players added would help them get by in the playoffs. So all of you Titan fans can stop dreaming of Manning being on another team cause its not going to happen and you can look forward to seeing him 2 times a year again for about the next 3 or 4 more years. Go ahead and mark those games as losses cause when he comes back he is going to be even more hungry than he was before.
I admire your dedication
and if I was a Colts fan, I’d be begging them to keep Manning and pulling hard for the Colts and Niners this weekend.
by Will Shelton on Dec 31, 2011 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
And another thing
Enough of this can’t miss crap about Luck. The kid has not taken a single snap in the NFL yet and everyone is lableing him as the next Manning. From what I have seen he doesn’t show up in big games anyways.
Fans are dumb...
if I had a nickel for every time a great player/coach was taken for granted by a complacent fanbase I’d have a lot of nickels.
Surely you don't think Tyler Bray has any chance of generating the same kind of interest?
Peyton Manning is cheered on by many SEC fans from other schools, and I don’t see that ever happening for Tyler Bray (or Aaron Murray, for that matter). It’s partially due to the stolen Heisman, but Peyton is also something that Bray can never become: a home-grown SEC legend. Tyler Bray is a quarterback for an SEC team. That’s a huge difference.
"Lattimore, as the kids can say, can ball, and sometimes does it to the extent one might say [he] is out of control in his balling." - Spencer Hall
by GwinnettGamecock on Dec 30, 2011 4:38 PM EST reply actions
Peyton...
was largely beloved because of his decision to return for his senior season, how incredibly open and friendly he was and his admitted preference of college football to the pros. It has little to do with him being from Louisiana or anything like that. The Heisman thing isn’t even relevant anymore.
Bray could do the same if Tennessee were to have a great 2012 season with him playing lights out, and he came back for his senior season… particularly if he shows himself to be a great ambassador for UT in the same way Peyton did(see Peyton’s Letterman appearance).
and with the handful of projections I've seen...
with Bray going #1 overall, it’s entirely possible he’ll have plenty of chances to be said ambassador.
Those "projections" were pie-in-the-sky to begin with...
… but surely nobody thinks Tyler Bray is going to go first overall in the draft at this point.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
Thanks. I'd expect Tennessee fans to follow him, but wasn't sure if
you would become fans of his team. I don’t see Bray being popular with other SEC fan-bases, and the SEC legend/royalty has something to do with that. To some extent, Herschel, Bo, Peyton, Eli, and Tebow all have/had fans across the aisles. Curious to see if it will happen with Cam. Can’t see it with any current starting QB in the conference.
"Lattimore, as the kids can say, can ball, and sometimes does it to the extent one might say [he] is out of control in his balling." - Spencer Hall
by GwinnettGamecock on Dec 31, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
It's definitely true with Tebow for me
he’s much easier to like when you don’t see him standing next to Urban Meyer all the time
by Will Shelton on Dec 31, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
The thing with Bray
is that we really have no history of an NFL QB having real success other than Manning. There were plenty of UT fans who were ready to become Redskins fans with Heath Shuler, but that didn’t work. So if Bray, a legit NFL talent, is able to follow directly in Manning’s footsteps as he’s on his way out the door and have any real NFL success, I think he’s just an easy go-to for many UT/Indy fans. He is in no way Manning and will in no way be as beloved. But Peyton’s following has to go somewhere, and Bray would be a strong option, I think.
by Will Shelton on Dec 31, 2011 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
San Fran
Read an article on either ESPN or SI and it had Peyton either going to the Niners or the Cowboys. I love the idea of the Niners. Throw to Crabtree, Davis, and Ginn and have Gore to run with that awesome, young defense. The other thing is the rest of the NFC West is weak so he’d have the division crown every year he played. Plus, pairing with Harbaugh…..ironic considering Luck would be replacing him in Indy.
The Niners would be a great situation
I can’t see the Cowboys though; to me you don’t give up on Romo, who is four years younger and has certainly been productive.
by Will Shelton on Dec 31, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions

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