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Should Tennessee Give DeAnthony Arnett an Unconditional Release?

The Tennessee football program has decided to grant DeAnthony Arnett only a conditional release, meaning Arnett won't be able to sign with the two school's he's most interested in -- Michigan State and Michigan. He's not happy, and he's released a letter to the media:

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The Arnett family for years has been tight. I never knew the conditions for my Father would worsen like this. 2 heart attacks, dialysis, etc.. has made it so I cannot focus on anything but his health/well being. I never imagined being unable to have my dad at any games or me being able to see him as he endures his battle with health. Yes I want to play football but I NEED to be here for my dad and with my family. I am also still pursuing my goal of being the best student-athlete I can be

My mom is in a finacial bond my father was forced to retire from his job at General Motors because of a Lung Diseas on Disability, so I started recieving social security checks for a monthly payment of 1100 a month. I was 14 years old when most of this occured so I was un able to recieve my own check until I turned 18 years old so she always controlled my money and she used that as part of her income. When I turned 18 years old the checks came in my name but my mom and I always shared the funds with her. When June came upon my graduation I recieved a letter from the social security adminstration that my checks would be cut when I graduated so a 1100$ of income was taken from my mother household. She only attended one game this past season.

As this season went on I never was use to my parents not being at my games so it made the season a little harder for me but I still competed hard in my classes as my transcript grades from last semester were three B's and C and I appeared in all 12 games as a true freshman this season working hard every weak to earn my playing time.

Coach Dooley, myself or anybody doesnt know what the future holds for my Father and I feel that I represented the University of Tennessee the best way I can on and Off the field and I feel I have earned the right to be released unconditional to all schools in Michigan. Especially with The University of Tennessee not scheduling any Program

From the state of Michigan on their current or future schedules. Coach Dooley has singled two programs that I cant get a unconditional release to and thats University of Michigan and Michigan State University. He told me I can attend any Mac school that I want and If I wanted to attend The University of Michigan and Michigan State University then I would have to pay for school instead of be on the Scholorship. I dont know whats next my family cant afford to pay for school and my father health reason isnt good enough excuse for me to attend a BCS school close to home. (According to coach dooley). Therefore as a student athlete i feel coach dooley is trying to hinder my success by not allowing me to compete at a bcs level! And he's neglecting the fact that my father is severely ill.


I always try to keep in mind the proverb that whoever speaks first always seems right, and we may not know the whole story here. On the other hand, if the school doesn't give its own side of the story, this is all we have to go on. So based on what we know right now, do you think a conditional release is appropriate?

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What do you think about Tennessee's conditional release for DeAnthony Arnett?
It's fine.
336 votes
It's not fine.
550 votes

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I didn't want to taint the results with the questions

so I just went with “fine” and “not fine,” but the choices as they presented themselves in my head were “It’s fine because it’s the natural consequence of a breached agreement” and “Forget the legalities, do what’s right (and better for PR to boot) and give the kid a full release.” From those, you can probably tell which I voted for.

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by Joel Hollingsworth on Dec 30, 2011 6:25 AM EST reply actions  

I went with the second option...

Then again I would have no issues with it even if his father wasn’t sick. I know that they signed an agreement, but if the guy wants to go home, let him go home. Most reports though (if I am not mistaken) say that his father has gotten worse as the year progressed, so I see no issue at all with him leaving. We’ve benefited too much from the rule (Smith, Prince, Bullard) to really draw a line in the sand over this IMO.

If anything, this seems to me like Dooley is saying “If you want to go home, that’s fine, but you won’t have a chance at an NFL career. If you want to leave me, You’re going to a crappy school with a minimal chance of ever being a successful pro.”

by VolfanatETSU on Dec 30, 2011 6:49 AM EST up reply actions  

The agreement is typically a one-way agreement.

I’m in favor of anything that actually gives players some kind of say in the deal.

by Chris Pendley on Dec 30, 2011 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Thats a good point,

Because coaches leave all the time (no matter the contract lengths), and schools have to renew the scholarships each year don’t they? (thus leaving the possibility of them failing to renew it), Yet players have to basically sell their souls to a school.

by VolfanatETSU on Dec 30, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Terrell Owens disagrees with the last point.

;-)

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by VolBrian on Dec 30, 2011 8:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Touche

But for every Terrell Owens, how many are there that don’t even get the chance?

by VolfanatETSU on Dec 30, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

A bunch, your point is valid.

Although, I’m sure Purdue or ND or Ohio State would love to have him. He doesn’t have to go to a MAC school.

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by VolBrian on Dec 30, 2011 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the distance is the key

Time from UM to Saginaw is 90 minutes and MSU is 80 minutes, Compared to Purdue at 6 hours, OSU at 4 and a half hours, and Notre Dame at 4 hours. If he really is moving home for his dad, the only BCS programs that make sense are UM and MSU. (Time estimates via google maps)

by VolfanatETSU on Dec 30, 2011 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Either Dooley is a real asshole

Or there is a lot more to this story than we know

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by VolsnCards5 on Dec 30, 2011 7:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

He is probably more vindictive than anything else in this situation

And I strongly suspect there is a lot we don’t know. There always is.

One factor in this is probably the fact Arnett went to the MSU site to tell them he’s coming before telling anybody on the Tennessee staff apparently.

Remember how everybody gave Dooley crap over the Bryce Brown situation? Yeah, how does that look now?

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by VolBrian on Dec 30, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

agree

I was with him on Bryce Brown and Aaron Douglas. There’s no excuse for this unless there’s WAAAAAAY more to the story than we see. The reason given in the CTFP article I read yesterday was that we recruit against Michigan and Michigan State. And that just doesn’t cut it. If that’s the reason, this may be my first pitchfork moment for CDD

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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 30, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I've been slow to jump on Dooley for a lot of the questionable coaching decisions,

lack of performance on the field, and off the field issues as he truly walked into a one of a kind horrible situation. I knew the cupboard was practically bare as far as talent and depth so I figured 4 years would be a fair amount of time to try to get players. There was lack of discipline when he got here so I gave him the benefit there as well. The way he used some time-outs, some of the play calling, and the Worley debacle(imo) I even gave the benefit on as it could be said unreasonable expectations this early in his tenure forced him into some desperate moves. This move however shows definitive immaturity and a sour grapes mentality that I dont like to see from a HC. I know its bad PR and I know it looks bad to other recruits and most anybody else who reads it. This makes me officially question why I always gave him the benefit of the doubt. I think there is a problem here, outside the curse of the orange pants of course.

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by cerebralfish on Dec 31, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I wonder how Tino Thomas would vote?

Considering he could’ve been on scholarship for a full year already……..

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by VolBrian on Dec 30, 2011 8:41 AM EST reply actions  

I voted not fine.

For two big reasons: first we, as Tennessee fans, should sympathize with a promising player going elsewhere then wanting to come back (see: Tyler Smith), and because we should never — in my opinion — start playing stupid games with a young kid who wants to be able to play in front of family. Like VolsnCards said, Dooley’s coming across as a real asshole over this, and that’s not what we need right now.

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by bobothevol on Dec 30, 2011 9:00 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

From the outside looking in...

Dooley comes across as a first class jerk doing this. Did he have to sit out a year after ditching LaTech for Knoxville? If there are no penalties for coaches, why should there be for players? If Dooley’s signature on a contract didn’t mean anything to him, why should he hold Arnett to a higher standard?

by Watchman on Dec 30, 2011 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

I don't really like that analogy, but I agree with your point

players are still 18-20 years old for the most part. I have no problem with coaches trying to teach them a lesson in responsibility (see: Bryce Brown). I have no problem with a coach not allowing them to fulfill their needs at the expense of ours (say, transferring to a division rival). I have no problem with a coach setting limitations based on what’s best for the kid (see: Aaron Douglas). But imposing tenuously supported limitations to prevent a kid from playing for the closest (non-conference) BCS school to his ailing father? Having trouble seeing a way that that’s okay.

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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 30, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

this

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by cerebralfish on Jan 1, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm having difficulty envisioning a scenario where this decision is a good thing for us.

Dooley and UT look bad any way you slice it, and to accomplish what? I can see the reasons behind not granting releases to other SEC schools, but what is accomplished by denying a release to this player under these circumstances to schools that aren’t on our schedule in the next 4 years? Are we worried about opening the floodgates of players on our team jumping ship? (If so, we’ve got bigger problems than national perception.)

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by birdjam on Dec 30, 2011 12:14 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, the only thing I can guess

is that Dooley didn’t like the way Arnett initially handled it. There’s not any football reason that this makes sense.

by Will Shelton on Dec 30, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I've done this one before

somebody just straight out makes a power play, and it irks you, and you don’t want to cave to somebody so obviously going about things the wrong way. The problem is that if you stick to your guns because of “the way it was handled” in a situation that’s either insignificant or in which the other person actually has a strong case, you come off like a petulant child. It’s a bad idea.

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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 30, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a little shocked by this.

There has to be a side of the story we’re not familiar with, so I’m going to be slow to judge.

Is there any way the decisions can be changed, though? Maybe they’ll change their minds and give him a full release.

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by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 30, 2011 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

gross

at least run your mediocre program with class dooley. and unless his father isn’t really sick, i dont care what else we don’t know. take the high road, let the kid go. even if arnett did something the wrong way, he’s still just a kid with a very sick parent, which should matter way more than football.

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by hal41605 on Dec 30, 2011 1:25 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

People have mixed motives

I think that Arnett probably both genuinely wants to move back and be closer to his father and family (a ‘legitimate’ hardship situation) and also wants to leave the program because Baggett left, or some other reason (not ‘legitimate’ reasons). As such Dooley offered him a compromise. The fairness of letting kids get transfers or not in general is a whole other can of worms.

The larger issue for UT is more a PR one at this point- evidently they’ve made the administrative decision to not let themselves be blackmailed by players appealing to ESPN or whoever. I can see sense in this, but it also seems slightly to be cutting off your nose to spite your face. In any case the story is obviously still developing, and I’m withholding judgement until the whole thing shakes out.

by _trey_ on Dec 30, 2011 1:53 PM EST reply actions  

+1

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by GhostDance on Dec 30, 2011 9:46 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Just made this point on the radio, so I'll make it here

and I mean this with no disrespect to DeAnthony Arnett – not directed at him, but at the university: you better hope that kid didn’t take freshman English this fall. Either way, how many coaches are going to take a copy of this letter into living rooms and ask a recruit’s parents if this is the kind of education they want for their child?

by Will Shelton on Dec 30, 2011 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

we're talking about a first semester freshman

I would hope htat parents aren’t stupid enough to expect a night and day change. It’s more an indictment of his high school than anything.

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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 30, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh

Try reading Da’Rick Rogers’ Twitter.

Yes, this letter is riddled with misspellings, errors, and typos. But I don’t think any of that will be nearly as effective in recruiting as the simple fact that Dooley won’t grant this kid a release to be closer to his sick father.

Elite recruits used to want to come here because we were a football powerhouse that could vault them into the NFL. Not because they could learn how to use the Harbrace Handbook.

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by birdjam on Dec 30, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Um, based on my remembrance of freshman English, he took freshman English.

There was some turrible writing in my class (first semester, at least; they took away peer reviews second semester, which was probably for the best for my aneurysm at least).

by Chris Pendley on Dec 30, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

to play the "student athlete card"

I’m sure Michigan and MSU are a good bit better academically than CMU.

by falconnuke on Dec 30, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha!

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by gramsey712 on Dec 30, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Well...

If he is truly going home because of his father’s health, then he shouldn’t care where he goes to school…in fact, I believe Central Michigan is closer to his father than Michigan OR Michigan State.

OTOH, I believe Tyler Smith’s and Alex Bullard’s sick parents were in Middle Tennessee. Neither Iowa or Notre Dame released them to go to a non-SEC school, and made them play at Austin Peay or MTSU.

by HoldTheMayo on Dec 30, 2011 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

Tyler Smith got an unconditional release

and as someone who has actually dealt with this situation before, you shouldn’t have to take a career damaging hit just to take care of your family. If he’s talking out of his ass, that’s one thing… but the difference between a 10 hour drive or a flight and a 2 hour one is HUGE in a situation like this.

by Caban on Dec 30, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Again, per Google Maps,

He would save 6 minutes by going to Central Michigan instead of Michigan State… I’d call those distances a wash, and by going to MSU he’d definitely be setting himself up for a much more successful future than CMU.

by VolfanatETSU on Dec 30, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Were either Tyler's or Alex's parents sick when they accepted their original scholarships?

Becuase form what I understand, this situation with Arnett’s family existed prior to his commitment much less signing the scholarship papers.

Same thing with Brandon Warren I do believe and Bobby Bowden wouldn’t give him a release either.

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by VolBrian on Dec 30, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Tyler's no.

Alex’s I think was sick, and then when he died he decided to move back here to be closer to his mom.

by VolfanatETSU on Dec 30, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

You know what, though

Even if the parental sickness isn’t the real reason he wants to transfer, it passes the smell test. Only Arnett knows the real reason, but the parental sickness certainly does seem pretty darn plausible. And if it sounds pretty darn plausible to me as a Vol fan, it sounds pretty darn plausible to everybody else in the world who hears it.

Let. Him. Go.

No homer.

by kidbourbon on Dec 30, 2011 5:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

There is no upside to these conditions.

Dooley’s conditions serve a retributive purpose (I suppose) but can’t possibly have any deterrent effect to balance out the PR nightmare.

by first and thom on Dec 30, 2011 4:46 PM EST reply actions  

Exactly

Viewing things prospectively, what good comes of it? The Game Theory analysis here was apparently omitted. I’m seeing a lose and then another lose. What precedent is he trying to set? Come to Tennessee, we won’t ever let you leave?

No homer.

by kidbourbon on Dec 30, 2011 5:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't care about any more details.....facts are enough.....

And I’ve lost some respect for Dooley over this. Shame on you, Coach!!!

GBO!!!

by PEEK-A-BOO on Dec 30, 2011 5:40 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

In other words....

You don’t want to consider any more facts than you already have already considered, because based on the facts you know at this moment, Coach Dooley is to blame for this and deserves to lose your respect. That’s your story, and you’re sticking to it.

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by HoldTheMayo on Dec 30, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

The simple fact is.

The university and coaching staff have to be aware of players getting better offers(recruited) and heading back to there home states. As we are well aware a large majority of Tennessee recruits are from out of state. If they just up and gave a free pass to every kid that was homesick or wanted to try a better offer out closer to home, it would open the door for every out of state recruit. Example: (Not getting enough playing time “release me”! I Can’t play the position I want “release me”! Maybe Deanthony was talking to MSU or UM a little prematurely before sitting down with Dooley and asking for help to get where he needs to go. I am not saying that he doesn’t have a legitimate reason to go home. In his position I would want to go home too. I am just trying to give my opinion on why the coach may not give him his unconditional release.

by BUCKVOL2020 on Dec 30, 2011 11:12 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

If that's really a potential problem for UT...

we’re already dead in the water.

I do know that almost universally the same folks who reviled Bobby Bowden for failing to release Brandon Warren are the same folks bending over backwards to excuse Dooley.

Some remarkable duplicitness is occurring.

by Caban on Dec 31, 2011 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Right on Caban

My team has had a large number of transfers over the last couple years and although it hurts as a fan these are college kids. I had no idea what I wanted as 19 or 20 year old kid (a lot people don’t even when they are adults).

Plus this makes no sense, in fact it just seems spiteful. I could understand if they said you can’t transfer to another SEC school that at least makes sense. TN does not play Michigan schools normally. Also, this is going to be used against TN in recruiting. You think every school that is above this kind of spitefulness isn’t going to point this out to recruits who are also considering UT.

by Tractorr on Dec 31, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

That's false.

You really think some 17-year-old in Memphis or Atlanta or Central Florida or Texas really cares about whether or not Arnett got a unconditional release? Really? They care about how much football they will get to play.

Furthermore, how will other schools use this against Tennessee? Here is how I envision that going down:

“You will absolutely LOVE playing at U of Whatever. Trust me! You’ll love it! Playing time, girls, NFL down the road, more girls, TV, big stadium, even more girls. Can’t beat that! But, BUT, get this! If you don’t there’s a warranty! Just let us know before or even AFTER you talk to the school you want to go to and we’ll let you take off no strings attached. We’re not like those assholes at Tennessee! If you don’t like us, but you will, you’ll love us trust me, but if you don’t, feel free to take off whenever! We don’t care about wasting a scholarship or the limited amount of time the NCAA let’s us actually coach you, just go!”

Umm, yeah.

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by VolBrian on Dec 31, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

lovely

just back down, Derek. Save whatever face you can and back down

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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 31, 2011 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

THIS>

WE SUCK AT PR…have for the last 4 years…Good Lord.

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by RockyTopinKY on Dec 31, 2011 1:06 AM EST up reply actions  

seriously

If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 31, 2011 1:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I’m sure there’s more to this, but Dooley seems to have totally blown it from a PR standpoint.

http://www.frogsowar.com/

by HawkeyedFrog on Dec 31, 2011 12:37 AM EST reply actions  

if there isn't, I'll be pissed

if there is, I might still be pissed, for the PR reasons you mentioned

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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 31, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions  

According to my dad...

there are a lot of folks on the board apparently just making sh*z up at this point to try and make Dooley not look like a jackhole. I’d take anything not directly from the horses’ mouths with a grain of salt.

by Caban on Dec 31, 2011 12:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Dooley has managed to do that

on his own just fine so far in his tenure.

by VolfanatETSU on Dec 31, 2011 1:07 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

err misread

thought you said people are trying to make him look like one. lol

by VolfanatETSU on Dec 31, 2011 1:11 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

If it was Bray, Rogers, or another player known to have character issues

I would be more likely to think there was more to the story. Hasnt Arnett been a pretty stand up player during his freshman year at TN? This will absolutely be talked about on the recruiting trail. Coaches will use anything to get an edge, and I dont think it is insignificant as it is a direct reflection of Dooley’s personality and how he could handle other situations.

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by cerebralfish on Jan 1, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Info from another board from a well regarded insider...

“The main reason DA is leaving is because of his brother. His brother has been working behind the scenes with one particular school since CBB left. He will not be able to attend that school unless he pays his own way the first year. Im sure more will come out as time goes on.

His brother, was the main person pushing him to Tennessee last year."

If this is true than Dooley is doing the correct thing…decisions have consequences.

by phil g on Dec 31, 2011 9:17 AM EST reply actions  

hmmmm

You mean we should wait for more info before jumping to conclusions and crucifying Dooley?

What a concept!!!!

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by VolBrian on Dec 31, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

But alas...

That is not what the Interwebs is for, evidently.

by GhostDance on Dec 31, 2011 10:30 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

No, but calling him an asshole, a jackhole, and other names is. Bringing out pitchforks and torches is.

Did I say anything to or about you?

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by VolBrian on Dec 31, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Lighten up, Francis

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by birdjam on Dec 31, 2011 11:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

if true

why not release him to every school in Michigan that he’s not talking to behind the scenes? It’s not as strong a move, but it avoids the PR disaster and still makes the “decisions have consequences” point.

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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 31, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Isn't that what he did?

And how is Dooley supposed to avoid the PR disaster?

No matter what really is going on, something nobody on here knows but hasn’t stopped the pitchforks, Dooley can’t fight with the kid in the press.

He can’t come out and say that Arnett was sneaking around and talking to other schools or was only here for Baggett or whatever. All he can do is say we have a policy concerning releases and Arnett knew about it before he signed his scholly papers.

We may not be playing the Michigan schools but we most certainly recruit against them. See Arnett himself, Danny O’Brien, the O-linemen who is no longer here (can’t remember the name) and anyone we have targeted in Ohio.

The conditional release is Tennessee’s policy right or wrong.

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by VolBrian on Dec 31, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Darius Sawtelle

That’s the guy I do believe.

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by VolBrian on Dec 31, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

uhhhh

no. it’s not. at all.

the rumor says “one particular school.” Dooley blocked two schools in Michigan. Only blocking one and you completely avoid the PR issues

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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 31, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Really???

He blocks Michigan State but not Michigan and there is no PR fallout?

That would be impressive.

And the policy is the policy as I stated, right or wrong. Arnett knew it when he signed his papers and his Dad was sick. Make the exception now under these circumstances of which we still don’t have all the info and what does that say to other kids who may not be happy that they didn’t get to start in every game or their positional coach decides to take another job? And don’t give me that “we have bigger problems if others want to leave”. There is no program in country that has 85 happy, content kids on scholarship that would turn down the chance to change their mind at will.

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by VolBrian on Dec 31, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I really didn't want to get to involved in all this until all the info was out

But, here is my opinion. It’s not going to change especially in light of the rumors floating around so take it fwiw.

I voted for “It’s fine” based solely on the fact that Arnett’s Dad was sick when he signed the papers to come here and there has been no reported change in his condition.

I’m sorry the kid’s Dad is sick and if it was a sudden thing that happened midseason I would probably think differently but it is what it is and Arnett made his decision knowing the facts and that Tennessee was 10 hours away.

The fact that he went to Michigan State’s people to tell them he wanted a release before going to Dooley and the fact that he is trying to bait Dooley into arguing through the media just reinforces my stance in my own mind.

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by VolBrian on Dec 31, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

block Michigan State and not Michigan and what do they say

obviously not “won’t let a kid with a sick Dad play close to home.” They start wondering your motivations instead of just assuming you’re a jerk

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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 31, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe so

But, here’s the bottom line as far as Dooley is concerned.

This PR thing will pass in a week if not less and if he beats NC State and Florida next September people will forget they ever heard the name DeAnthony Arnett.

Lose to both of those teams and he’s got much bigger issues than where Arnett is playing.

So, he made his decision and moved on.

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by VolBrian on Dec 31, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I would say the decision in this case for Dooley shouldve been very simple.

Weigh the downsides of an unconditional release vs a conditional release and its a no brainer. He’s not winning right now. He couldve granted the unconditional release and told the media/recruits “He told me his father had become very ill and he wanted to be closer to home. I’m not going to keep any kids from making their family matters a top priority. At TN, family comes first.” Whether he believes Arnett or not, this would make him much more likeable to the recruits and their families imo and would have saved the huge backlash he will have to deal with now.

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by cerebralfish on Jan 1, 2012 10:34 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

If that's true...

then Michigan State would be in deep shit if any member of the staff actually spoke to his brother.

by Caban on Dec 31, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Does the fact the NCAA denied his hardship waiver not say anything?

They also, apparently by their denial, believe his motives lie elsewhere besides his sick dad so what does that tell you about the info we are being given solely through a nearly unreadable letter from Arnett himself?

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by VolBrian on Dec 31, 2011 12:55 PM EST reply actions  

Don't confuse us with facts...please.

I feel pretty confident the waiver committee contacted our staff for additional input or facts related to the request. Without doubt there is more to this story than what is floating around on the interwebz (obfuscation and innuendo). Dooley is not operating in a vacuum and I am confident this decision was made with input from the AD’s office. While it does appear at the moment to be a PR disaster, it is also occurring during an off year (no bowl appearance) and will not receive the attention it would were we playing in a bowl. That being said, I wonder how much attention ESPN chooses to place on this issue as a general note during the bowl programming schedule. Caban’s note regarding interference by MSU may also apply to UM.

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by chuckiepoo on Dec 31, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

which would be very bad news for UM...

as they’d fall under repeat violator status.

by Caban on Dec 31, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I would hate that for them…I mean, that would just be terrible…

by GhostDance on Dec 31, 2011 7:43 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

tsk, tsk…turrible

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by chuckiepoo on Dec 31, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I TA'd at Brandeis University last year

I don’t know if it really has a national reputation, but I was told it was one of the more selective schools out there. You’d be amazed at how bad the paper quality was.

If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 1, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

and I went to UT....

the guys on the football team have MUCH MORE strict rules regarding attendance and actual completion of work. There were a handful that I had a class or two with and hung out with a few of them outside of class, they were no different than any other students… but some of them were REALLY dumb.

Most of the really dumb ones ended up camped out in tutoring for several hours a day.

by Caban on Jan 1, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

This is also consistent with Dooley's other responses for requests to transfer

If a kid takes his case public or is operating behind the scenes without working with UT staff, Dooley takes a hard line as he should. If kids handle their business directly with Dooley and staff in a mature way without using outside manipulation tactics they tend to get a much more favorable resolution. The more that comes out the more this looks like a logical consequence of Arnett’s actions versus Dooley being an a’hole.

Kids have got to learn and get better advice from their handlers on handling difficult situations. The outcome may suck for them if not handled properly, but no one ever promised that learning lessons would be easy.

by phil g on Jan 1, 2012 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

No Win

I’m a Michigan alum, so I clearly have an interest in Arnett getting his release, but I don’t see how UT wins in this. (Actually I don’t want Arnett, I feel like he was a drama queen during his recruitment and I’m not sure if his talent would offset the drama he brings. At the same time I’d rather he didn’t end up at MSU, so I have conflicted feelings on trying to grab him.).

Behind the scenes I have no idea who has been doing what or who is pissing in whose Cheerios. The deal is in public though that Arnett holds the “sickness in the family” trump card. Dooley might be mad that Arnett is trying to bail, and Arnett might have been making shady moves, but when push comes to shove everyone knew Arnett would play the “my dad is sick” card.

So Dooley is managing to push back against Arnett. However he just handed a massive weapon to anyone recruiting against him. Coaches are now going to be saying “Is your mom older and in poor health? Well just remember how little compassion Coach Dooley showed DeAnthony Arnett…”. Dooley can win the MAC battle, but he’ll lose the recruiting war.

Just accept Arnett is a sunk cost and a going to a B1G school. It makes no sense to spend public relations capital to force a 19 year old to a MAC school.

by Wolv1984 on Jan 1, 2012 7:08 PM EST reply actions  

Not sure why Dooley has an issue with Michigan or Michigan St

Its not like you guys are going to play them on a regular basis or anything.

by JaxDawg on Jan 1, 2012 8:07 PM EST reply actions  

Grammar

Am I the only one appalled with his grammar? He needs to be in junior college, not a university.

by TheN8tureBoy on Jan 1, 2012 10:53 PM EST reply actions  

it's appalling, it's just not unusual

any school in the country

If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 1, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

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