Dooley and 2012
by 13 Rings on Dec 31, 2011 12:32 AM EST
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With a 5 million buyout if we fire him this season
I would say he’s pretty safe.
8 wins and he placates people for another season. The most irrational fans will call for blowing 5 mil on another buyout.
9 wins and most fans will be happy I think
10 wins and everyone is happy with an extension on the way.
7 or less and most fans, including myself probably, will call for a change.
Side note 1: You don’t want this as Dave Hart said recently on the radio Kirby Smart is “his guy”.
Side note 2: You know 13 is a made up total right?
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please tell me Dave Hart didn't actually say that
Do not want Kirby Smart
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 31, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Not in the sense of I'm going to fire Dooley and back up a truck to Smart's house
but, and this is heresay as I didn’t hear the show myself, he said to the effect of Smart is the best available coach for a school’s vacant head position and any school would be lucky to get him. So, since we love jumping to conclusions around here, I would assume he means if he has to fire Dooley, you can count on Smart being a prime candidate for replacement.
"I condone fun things" ~~ Cortland Finnegan
Hello ladies. Look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me.
Effing magnets! How do they work?!?
that is not what I wanted to hear
proven head coach, please
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 31, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
As an FSU fan I can say that I've heard rumors
of Mark Stoops possibly getting an interview. He’s turned down an offer of 1mil+ to be DC at Auburn this year as he knows his quickest path to HC is to stay at FSU next year where he will return practically the whole defense off of a top 5 squad this year. So with it being highly probable that Stoops leaves after 2012 and with the chance Dooley is gone I could see this happening. Stoops will be a hot name on the market after next year. I have no idea if he would be a good HC, but he can damn sure build a top tier defense very quickly.
"I dont hate people. I just feel better when they aren't around." -Bukowski
well, the Stoops boys are 1/2 right now
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 1, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
You have to go down the usual list...
of guys who consistently say no.
Gary Patterson would be #1A, Chris Peterson gets a call… I’d put out feelers towards Petrino(god knows we can outbid Arkansas if he’s actually willing to listen).
After that, I just don’t know… there are so many “hot” coaches out there that haven’t really proven they can actually coach and have gotten by on having one amazing player, or inheriting a really talented team relative to everyone else. And there is no obvious NFL guy either… I’m still waiting for Gruden to actually take a college job, spend the offseason being absurdly cocky and then go 3-9.
There's also rumors that with
Mark Stoops would follow FSU’s DE coach DJ Eliot who is an elite positions coach and recruiter so they might not be a bad package. Eliot has a couple sophmore DE’s that would be high draft picks if they came out now in Jenkins and Werner but they will likely stay to go for 1st round status and others who will also go pro like Carradine. Then you add in the recruits he has been able to get with the #1 DE class in Fowler, Edwards jr, and Casher. I think it might be a good move for TN if things dont work out as if nothing else you could bank on TN getting the attention immediately of the most elite defensive recruits in the country. This could be key as the vols will surely need to shore up the defense in the face of all the talent theyre about to lose on offense after next season.
"I dont hate people. I just feel better when they aren't around." -Bukowski
jesus christmas...
If we hire Kirby Smart…
ugh.
Why would an Athletic Department with the resources and reputation of Tennessee promote a guy who has never been a head coach into that position? That would possibly be the worst hire Tennessee has ever made in football.
I've gotten into this a bit other places.
But 8 wins is my personal floor, I think. I won’t be happy with 8 wins, but I can live with 8. If he can’t get 8 and can’t beat any of Florida, Georgia, and Bama, I’ll be firmly on the he’s-gotta-go bandwagon.
That said, I really like Dooley. I’m hoping that he can get 9 or 10 wins, and I think that’s realistic with our talent, assuming a relatively healthy team. I think we’re at the point in rebuilding where we have the talent to play with most teams, but not the depth to keep up with the best teams if we’re not firing on all cylinders. Another season where we lose 2 of our big 3 on offense for a stretch will, once again, be debilitating to our W-L record.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Dec 31, 2011 3:35 PM EST reply actions
I'm pretty much right with this.
"I condone fun things" ~~ Cortland Finnegan
Hello ladies. Look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me.
Effing magnets! How do they work?!?
UF next year will be a pivotal game for Dooley imo.
UF is not a good football team and hasnt been for 2 years now. This is a huge rivalry game and also the most winnable of the games you could put in the quality win department on next year’s schedule. UGA and Bama are likely losses and even South Carolina away with the return of Lattimore and that D is an unlikely W. UF is at home, they have another new OC joining a terrible offense with no QB while losing Demps and Rainey. A win over UF is critical.
"I dont hate people. I just feel better when they aren't around." -Bukowski
starting things off with a win...
…over NC State is probably pretty darn critical, too. The Georgia Dome hasn’t been kind to UT. The ‘98 SEC title game was a looong time ago. They lose that game, and they’re in a hole from the get-go. That would make the UF game basically a “must-win” to keep the whole season from careening out of control.
I agree with this.
If we open the season with a loss and can’t find a way to beat Florida, Dooley is immediately coaching for his job.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 2, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
We don't particularly want to lose Smart...
…but nobody’s losing sleep over it. After the Lane Kiffin debacle, and now having a hired a guy with a losing record in the uber-competitive WAC, I would think Hart’s first choice would be someone with a bit more of a track record.
I'd say 9 wins he is safe...
8 wins and its debatable. He’d probably get another season with 8, but I’d be opposed to it.
I've been meaning to write about this, by the way.
What with losing our DC and all, it’s fallen a bit by the wayside. (There’s no shortage of time to wonder about it, isn’t there?)
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
Substance over Quantity
The number of wins will always be relevant to a storied program like Tennessee, however,
I suggest that the hardest thing for Volunteer fans to accept is not being competitive in the
east. In order for Dooley to ensure his job he will have to be a player in weeks 7-10 at
least. Last season after having already dropped a hard fought game against Florida in
week three, they dropped another to Georgia in week 5 dooming almost any chance they
had of staying in the hunt. Make no mistake about it; Dooley has to win SEC games if he
wants to continue to build the program hes currently attempting to repair. An early win
over NC State would help his cause, but hes got to be looking at knocking off the Winning
teams in the east (Florida/Georgia/South Carolina) before Volunteer country will buy into
this coach long term. All things considered I would venture that a 9 win season will keep
his job, but an (8-4) season with wins over two of the major east players, coupled with a
good portion of the freshmen he had last year being juniors, could convince Mr. Heart to
Sign him on at least for another year.
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