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Bring Back Fulmer

There, now that my hook title got your attention, I'll go ahead and say I'm still 100% behind Dooley. Derek is gonna have to get 8 wins next season though or the process starts again. In my opinion, a minimum of 8 keeps his job, 10+ gets an extension. With Weis leaving Florida today, there is one game that may have just gotten easier.

I have digressed though, I would like to bring Phillip Fulmer back into the Tennessee family. Only as Offensive Line Coach and possibly Associate Head Coach. Let's face it, it's sad to see Coach Fulmer screaming MANBEARPIG!!! everytime a job opens up only to have no one take him serial. Nobody he wants to coach for is going to hire him so is it possible he could swallow his pride, squash his ego and get back into coaching at the professional love of his life?

I won't suggest that he should not have been fired in 2008. I agreed at the time that he should have been done as our head coach and I still do, I just wish it had been handled better by both sides. That is all in the past now though and if there is ever an advantageous time for Fulmer to return it is now and in the capacity I described.

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No matter your opinion of Coach Harry Hiestand or the job he has done, I think we, as Tennessee fans, can all agree that Fulmer could do just as well and bring more to the table in the same position.

Let's give it the old pro/con outline.

1. Phillip Fulmer is an excellent offensive line coach and excellent recruiter. Part of his late troubles as head coach was evaluating talent. In the position I have described, there would be much less overall responsibility and I believe his prowess as a top-notch recruiter could be easily recovered.

2. Hiring Phillip Fulmer would serve to unite a divided fan base until we see the actual results we expect. It would bring the older players back in the fold and rejuvenate the portion of the fan base that is still bitter over his ouster.

3. The off-field direction of the program is in line with what CPF always claimed to be his goal. On-field success be damned, I think we can all agree that Dooley is managing the character of his players in a direction consistent with high values and building successful young men. This is something Fulmer historically prided himself on and could get behind.

4. He would be surrounded by people he could work with. I think Dooley is someone Fulmer could get along with even as a "subordinate". I have no doubt that he and Chaney could get along and we know he would be cool with Jay Graham and Tee Martin if Tee cam back. Wilcox? Who knows, but that's defense. Most importantly, Mike Hamilton is gone and so are the abrasive personalities of the Kiffins and Orgeron. I would never have dreamed that he could get along with that group.

5. Having Fulmer on staff would help pave the way for the return of the "Chief" once Justin Wilcox finally gets his call up to be the head man. It is my position that one of the biggest mistakes, if not the biggest, in the illustrious history of our football program was tossing John Chavis aside for the siren song of the fabulously overrated Monte Kiffin.

I could go on, but the point is that there would be many pros, advantages, positives, whatever word you choose to having Fulmer back in the fold with only one negative I can think of, ego.

Could and would Phillip Fulmer be able to suppress his ego, swallow his pride and work under another head coach at his Alma mater after so many successful years as the head man himself? He is not getting any younger and each year his pleas for a head job at a major program go ignored and become increasingly pitiful. At some point will he acquiesce to the reality of his situation and come back to give just a little more to the university he loves so much? Are we wrong for asking or suggesting him to do so?

What do you think?

Poll
Should the University of Tennessee bring back Phillip Fulmer?
Yes. He would be major upgrade on the staff and could work under another head coach.
141 votes
Yes. But only as an administrator in the athletic department, not on the coaching staff.
53 votes
No. He would not be able to overcome being a subordinate.
75 votes
No. UT fired him once already, his days at Tennessee are over.
84 votes
MANBEARPIG!!! (Troll Button)
58 votes

411 votes | Poll has closed

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I agree with this absolutely.

AD is not the right spot for him.

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by VolBrian on Dec 9, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

No Way Dooley Could Trust Him

after the backstabbing he pulled when he replaced JM. Let Phil go off to the old coaches home somewhere and tell his stories.

Let’s replace HH with a younger energetic guy that can coach!

GO VOLS!!

by coach799 on Dec 9, 2011 11:43 PM EST reply actions  

and this is how point #2 is overturned

as long as there are still Majors fans, Fulmer will never unite the fan base.

If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 10, 2011 6:35 AM EST up reply actions  

We could always bring Majors back as the RB coach while we are at it.

I’m sure he and Fulmer would love to be on the same staff again. /sarcasm :p

by VolfanatETSU on Dec 10, 2011 7:59 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

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by VolBrian on Dec 10, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I considered this

But, I had also hoped against hope that they had reconciled to a certain degree so that Majors wouldn’t be run off again.

They’ll never be best friends, but perhaps they could make a show of some solidarity to try and ease the old tension in the fan base.

Even if Fulmer doesn’t come back, it would still be great for the program if they could coexist in a positive fashion.

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by VolBrian on Dec 10, 2011 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

agree on this point
Even if Fulmer doesn’t come back, it would still be great for the program if they could coexist in a positive fashion.

If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 10, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Johnny has been living it up the last three years

and I say this in a way that hopefully doesn’t condone any spitefulness, but good for him. Regardless of what happened at the end, Johnny Majors deserves the love of the fanbase, and it’s been great to see him in the orange pants and around campus more.

Fulmer is on the back of the jumbotron and gets cheered whenever they show him in highlight packages. I really think if Dooley had one good year, it would be “safe” to bring him back around the program.

by Will Shelton on Dec 10, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Majors would jab his own eye out with a rusty spoon...

before he would forgive Fulmer.

The man is B-I-T-T-E-R

by Caban on Dec 15, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Correct me if I'm wrong, but

I thought Fulmer was specifically criticized about the type of OL he liked to build while he was head coach? Didnt he recruit huge(in a bad way) O-linemen that severely lacked mobility and were pretty much considered out of shape? I say correct me if I’m wrong because I remember hearing a local radio guy(Bill Meade) talk about it quite a bit while Fulmer was coach. I’m going off his knowledge which is better than mine as he’s a UT fan of probably upwards of 40 years.

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by cerebralfish on Dec 10, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You're pretty much wrong.

O-line was always a strength under Fulmer. Look at the run game numbers. He had a ton of good to great offensive linemen (both white AND black, from TN AND FL) and then got them to perform.

Besides, we wouldn’t be asking him to be the recruiting coordinator, just to use his in-home skills on the targets and then coach them up.

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by VolBrian on Dec 10, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

now this just isn't true

how many years could we effectively run the football after 2001? OL was a strength during Fulmer’s first 8-9 years. It became a weakness by the end

If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 10, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Cutcliffe came back in 2006 and started a weight loss campaign on the OL

dismissing the old idea of bigger being necessarily better. Every lineman lost at least 15 lbs with Chris Scott losing 60lbs in the off-season. That’s not saying Fulmer couldnt be ok as long as he changed his bigger is better philosophy to “good” bigger is better. Truthfully I think he will make a solid HC for a smaller school and I’m not sure he would settle as a position coach.

"I dont hate people. I just feel better when they aren't around." -Bukowski

by cerebralfish on Dec 10, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

agree

I actually think he would’ve done great at Kansas. Better than Weis

If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 10, 2011 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

The end?

What like 2008? Or 2007 when they were in the SEC championship? What about the year we had 2 1,000 yard rushers? You would take the Tauren Poole year over Arian Foster’s or Cedric Houston’s worst years? Even Gerald Riggs?

This isn’t a point I really care to argue actually. If y’all really prefer the O-line coaching we have now to any even in Fulmer’s worst years, it’s not worth my time.

Oh, and big and slow O-lineme? Fulmer’s last center recruit was one of the best he had even with two blown knees and three girls in his bed.

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Hello ladies. Look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me.

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by VolBrian on Dec 10, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions  

o.O

yeah, like 2008. And 2007, when we were in the SEC championship despite not being able to block anybody to save our lives or convert in short yardage situations (we are still talking about the offensive line at not team performance as a whole, right?). And pretty much the last seven years of Fulmer’s tenure except for 2004.

If you don’t think OL was a weakness late in Fulmer’s career, I just don’t know what to tell you. Why do you think he had to fire Jimmy Ray?

If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 10, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

ok

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by VolBrian on Dec 10, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed completely

Fulmer’s lines were great when he was OC and started out good when he was HC but got progressively worse, to the point that they were pretty terrible by the time he was fired. Guys like Cosey Coleman and Arron Sears really could have become a lot better players than they were with better coaching, IMO.

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by birdjam on Dec 15, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

man, never listen to Bill Meade about anything

(hopes Bill doesn’t lurk on RTT).

But yeah, there was some criticism of the OL we had in Fulmer’s later years as the head coach. But when he was the OL coach, to my knowledge, was a different story. And so were his early years as head man

If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 10, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the reasonable response. I hate Bill Meade, but he does know a little about UT football.

I just looked up some stats from Fulmer’s last year to make sure I wasnt dreaming. 9th in the SEC in rushing(32% on 3rd downs)and a 1 total yard performance vs UGA so it got pretty bad at the end. I wont speak for him in the early years as I didnt follow them then.

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by cerebralfish on Dec 10, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Didnt the OL go through a major S&C regiment

when the new coaches came in to cut their weight?

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by cerebralfish on Dec 10, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions  

believe so

but that’s also because Kiffin put in a zone blocking scheme, which favors lighter guys.

Now Dooley is trying to increase size again

If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Dec 10, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Man blocking>zone blocking in the SEC imo

I’m all for monsters up front as long as their agility is constantly re-tested while theyre putting weight on. Big, mobile guys in a man scheme is best.

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by cerebralfish on Dec 10, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

meh...

I don’t think it makes a lick of difference. This season it was painfully obvious that our TBs were just missing holes constantly and going down on first contact 90% of the time.

All zone blocking really does is give you an advantage at the point of attack… it doesn’t mean every lineman stands around in their own unique zone, it generally means that multiple linemen are used to get a temporary numbers advantage by pulling towards the hole and double teaming some folks while leaving defenders outside of the play alone.

by Caban on Dec 15, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

"Big, mobile guys"

Man scheme is (IMO) certainly not the “best”…every NFL team and most college teams use zone blocking to varying degrees. Take a (figurative) step back and look at man vs. zone…why block defenders who are not in the area of the field where the play is ongoing?

“Big, mobile guys” (quoting you) are obviously best…at anything. But zone only requires that they be mobile, and doesn’t require that they be big.

by HoldTheMayo on Dec 23, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

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by VolfanatETSU on Dec 10, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

This was Jimmy Ray Stephens philosophy...

learned under Coach Spurrier. Fat strong guys are great for pass blocking, and that’s 90% of what Florida did back then with most of their runs coming out of draws.

by Caban on Dec 15, 2011 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

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