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Picking An NCAA Tournament Bracket With Pythag And Log5

[Note by Joel Hollingsworth, 03/12/12 9:10 PM EDT ] You can find the 2012 version of this post here.

Three years ago, I filled out one of my NCAA brackets using nothing but team pythags. The thing actually placed second in the Rocky Top Talk Bracket Challenge, so, after a year of complete and total slacking, I did it again last year, and the thing finished third. I also filled out a bracket using upset profiling developed by CBS's Peter Tiernan. It did really well in the first round but ended up 38th out of 40 in the final standings, so so much for the idea of magic formula to pick upsets.

Anyway, I figured we'd wind the pythag bracket up again this year and see if it can show in three of three years. As a refresher, here's the explanation I offered back in 2008:

After staring at A Sea of Blue's post setting forth the odds for each of the NCAA Tournament teams to win it all for a half an hour, I concluded: whoa, numbers. But once I recovered, I thought it would be interesting to see how each game of the bracket plays out using Ken Pomeroy's data. Below is the NCAA Tournament bracket, with each region on top of each other (as opposed to the four regions facing each other in groups of two) because who among us has a 34" computer monitor? The play-in game is on top and the final four is on the bottom. The four digit number immediately next to each team is that team's pythag, and the percentages next to the pythags are those teams' respective "chances of winning" that game. For instance, based on their respective pythags, Mt. St. Mary's should beat Coppin State 88.85% of the time and so we'll consider them the winner and move them forward to play North Carolina. Yes, you can get the same result by looking only at the teams' respective pythags, but I think the percentages give you a better feel for how those numbers might play out on the court.

A couple of pre-post observations from Hooper:

Pythag uses "pace-neutral" weighting, which means it compares the ratios of point differentials but not the actual values of point differentials. For example, a team that averages 80 pts. for and 70 pts. against looks identical to a team that averages 64 pts. for and 56 pts. against. KenPom does this so he doesn't have to worry about how many possessions a team normally has in a game. But that does make a big difference in the play of a game. So you lose valuable data at the start. This is normal for every numerical method, but it's good to know what is being lost. What this means is that Kansas has had the best pts. for / pts. against performance per possession in the league. But we don't know how many possessions is ideal for Kansas, or even if it makes a difference.

We also don't know the uncertainty. For example, if a team has a "70% chance of winning", does that mean 70% +/- 15%, or 70% + / 5%? If it's the first, then it's not unreasonable to see an upset. If it's the second, then an upset would be a tremendous shocker. We don't have a feel for the significance of a point spread, in other words.

If anyone wants to update the table to account for any of that, have at it. Start here, then read this [link dead], then read this. In the meantime, though, have a look at the table below, all dressed up in pretty Easter pastels for your enjoyment.

Oh, and one more thing: I've entered this bracket into the RTT ESPN Tournament Challenge so we can keep track of how well it does. If anyone calls Ken Pom an idiot because this entry doesn't finish in the top spot, I will personally come over to his house, pull out his toenails with a pair of pliers one by one every hour on the hour, write "no, you're the idiot" on each one in pink fingernail polish, and feed them to him. And Jackson the Mule will be right behind me to finish you off.

Okay, so that was three years ago. Here's this year's pythag bracket picks, subject as always to over-tired operator error:

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2011 pythag bracket round 1

2011 pythag bracket east regional

2011 pythag bracket west regional

2011 pythag bracket southwest regional

2011 pythag bracket southeast regional

2011 pythag bracket final four

Nothing terribly exciting in there with the four #1 seeds all advancing and the #1 seed overall taking home the trophy. The pythag may not surprise, but in two of two years we've done this, it doesn't play around, either. We'll see.

Don't forget to play the RTT Bracket Contest by entering your bracket in the Rocky Top Talk bracket contest group at ESPN.

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KenPom hates us this year

55th overall, and among the “Last Four In”. He’s also been passionately involved with Kentucky all year, 7th overall. That bracket did really well in the first round last year – the major upsets all happened in the next couple of rounds, but it also still got the winner right in the end. It’s got nothing worse than an 11 over a 6 in the first round this year, though maybe the tournament pendulum will swing back to balance after all that madness in 2010.

by Will Shelton on Mar 14, 2011 9:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Honestly, boring though it may be, it's hard to find a one seed to go against

I just can’t put all four in the Final Four, but there just aren’t a lot of regions with strong competitors.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 14, 2011 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

I have 'Ville or Purdue knocking off Kansas

Deciding which one is tough.

I’m also debating having a warm cup of Oakland knocking off Texas.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 14, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It has only happened once

plus many feel like a wuss for doing it

I like orange and I am a dog person

by goldballs on Mar 14, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

So?

1-seeds go to the Final Four more than any other seed. Picking higher seeds solely because all four 1-seeds rarely go only helps you if you can correctly predict which 1-seed (s) won’t make it.

Lou Brock loves Lamp.

by birdjam on Mar 14, 2011 8:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I was only answering your question

I wasn’t intending to give any opinion. I don’t really care what the seed is if I win

I like orange and I am a dog person

by goldballs on Mar 14, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

it feels cheap

and it’s extremely unlikely to happen. But mostly it feels cheap.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 14, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really like kenpom's ratings

I think it is the best ratings system of the bunch in that it looks at points per possession and therefore gathers a lot more data.

No computer ratings system is perfect, though. And here is the chink in Kenpom’s system. He comes up with his predictions based on the points per possessions numbers for either team and a prediction of how many possessions there will be in the game. So if Tennessee averages 70 possessions per game and Michigan averages 60. The predicted score between UT and UM will be based on a 65-possession game.

But what if the faster paced team is able to dictate tempo? What if the slower paced team is able to dictate tempo? Generaly speaking, is the faster paced or slower paced team able to dictate tempo? What if the slower paced teams’s points per possession and points allowed per possession (i.e. their offensive and defensive efficiency) decreases when they play at a faster pace? What if the faster paced team’s offensive and/or defensive efficiency increases when they play slower? (in this case, the anser would be: fire your coach).

Anyway, I think Kenpom’s numbers are great and insightful, but these are the types of questions that you should ask if you’re looking to find games where the computer will get it wrong.

...just apologize for not thanking me.

by kidbourbon on Mar 14, 2011 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

on kenpom's website

try going to a team’s gameplan. At the bottom of the page are correlations for how a change of pace, efg, to%, or%, and ftr will affect a team’s performance.

by bballerct50 on Mar 16, 2011 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh oh, nerd alert! ;)

I finished my last stats class a few months ago but I can not escape them. I’ll stick to my good old EWAG (Educated Wild @ss Guess) system.

by PdxVol on Mar 14, 2011 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

3rd place last year

I used your pythag picks last year and got third place in my pool. And actually I was only 3 pts out of 1st. I will be using these picks again this year. Thanks.

by ryanhsbnation on Mar 15, 2011 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

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