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Should Bruce Pearl be fired? What about Mike Hamilton?

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The wins, the violations, the lies, the interview.  We run the least boring athletic department in the nation.

So on the heels of Mike Hamilton's "we'll evaluate it at the end of the season" kiss of death, what do you think Tennessee should do with its basketball coach and its athletic director?  Hamilton's interview yesterday has led us all to believe that decisions are going to be made sooner rather than later - a day after the release of the NCAA's Letter of Allegations on February 23, we ran a poll asking what it would take for you to support Pearl's removal.  Just a little over three weeks ago, only 26% supported dismissing Pearl immediately following the season.  31% - the leader in the poll - said they supported Pearl no matter what the NCAA said.

But Hamilton has certainly made it appear that the Vols won't wait to hear what the NCAA has to say about Pearl's sins.  Hamilton also must know that his own fate is up in the air - one of the few reasons anyone can point to on the timing of Hamilton's interview is that our AD is simply resigned to his own fate.  Whether or not that's the case, Hamilton's future is probably just as uncertain as Pearl's.

So how much fan support does Pearl have left?  And does Hamilton have any?  Do we think it's better to clean house and start over, or is there any possibility we could still hunker down with what we've got and take the NCAA's punishment?

We'll have an open thread for the NCAA Tournament games at noon, so you'll have a place to discuss today's action separate from this conversation.  But on the eve of what could be Bruce Pearl's final game, where do you stand?  Who do you support?

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What should the University of Tennessee do?
Fire Bruce Pearl
55 votes
Fire Mike Hamilton
560 votes
Fire Both
278 votes
Keep Both
78 votes
Fans of other teams vote here
20 votes

991 votes | Poll has closed

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I don't think Hamilton makes that statement if he thinks the basketball program is okay.

Similarly, I don’t think Hamilton makes that statement if he wasn’t updating his resume right now.

Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.

by Chris Pendley on Mar 17, 2011 8:05 AM EDT reply actions  

The argument for Hamilton is that he did hire a coach who turned the basketball program around

and increased fan interest and ticket sales. He also inherited a legend as a football coach whom he made (in many fans’ minds) the right decision to let go after a torturous 2008 debacle. Kiffin was a self-inherited fiasco, but Dooley is only 1 year in and should be given a shot to see if he can right the ship and show himself worthy of being an apt hire by Hamilton.

That said, I voted for axing Hamilton and don’t see a bright future going forward with him, so….well, so much for my thoughts.

Cannons... fire them.

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by Craig T on Mar 17, 2011 8:20 AM EDT reply actions  

[insert analysis here]

Since Pearl is an admitted, and now apparently a not-so-admitted, liar and cheater, would you support also firing Bruce Pearl?

by DunstontoSandbergtoGrace on Mar 17, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

And a UTK alum...

So I’ll ask you the question I posed above:

Since Pearl is an admitted, and now apparently a not-so-admitted, liar and cheater, would you support also firing Bruce Pearl?

by DunstontoSandbergtoGrace on Mar 17, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

NOPE

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Mar 17, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

UTK?

Nobody calls it that, bro. IMPOSTOR.

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by Holly Anderson on Mar 17, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

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Hello ladies. Look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me.

by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Our school, whose website is www.utk.edu?

I know this guy in real life. He is a UT grad.

Lou Brock loves Lamp.

by birdjam on Mar 17, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

seems the calibration

on our joke-o-meters is a bit off.

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by hal41605 on Mar 17, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes,

this also.

But, serious comment receives the serious answer below I guess

"I condone fun things" ~~ Cortland Finnegan

Hello ladies. Look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me.

by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

[long-suffering sigh]

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by Holly Anderson on Mar 17, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't care if he is or isn't

Calling UT UTK is redudant imo.

And of course the website says that. It’s provided by the University system.

Last time you heard the football team called the UTK Vols?

What about the UTK Forensic Center?

UTK School of Law?

Anyone?

Not saying that it isn’t a name for UT. Yes, it is indeed the University of Tennessee’s Knoxville camopus, but it’s always been a bit redudant and many fans/alumuns would agree with me thinks.

"I condone fun things" ~~ Cortland Finnegan

Hello ladies. Look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me.

by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bully for you

As for your questions, the last time I heard UT called UTK was a few minutes ago in this thread. An alum called it that.

Lou Brock loves Lamp.

by birdjam on Mar 17, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can choose not to believe me...

Craig T knows it to be true. As does Birdjam.

But hey…anything to avoid the real issue, I guees.

by DunstontoSandbergtoGrace on Mar 17, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Why are you an the Illinois fan?

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Mar 17, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do we really have to do this again?

Really?

"I condone fun things" ~~ Cortland Finnegan

Hello ladies. Look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me.

by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 8:42 AM EDT reply actions  

I am curious, is this turnaround because of the revelation that Pearl had not told the University

about the secondary violation, or is is because of Hamilton’s remarks on the interview?

Most of you felt this was not an issue just a couple of weeks ago, and now it SEEMS as though sentiment has changed drastically. I did not see the situation of Pearl not telling the school about the violation being an extremely large problem in the context of everything that has happened, so is it the idea that he may have lied to the school as well as the NCAA?

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Mar 17, 2011 8:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Who knows

I don’t know why we have to to all this over again. Seems pretty pointless to me.

He didn’t lie to the school, he didn’t think it was a violation, still doesn’t, and by all twitter accounts, it’s being appealed.

What’s great about this, is that all this type of BS is gonna finally get him fired, Hamilton fired, and we’re left with a program that might win a NAIA game. From there, the only thing we as Vol fans of the last three years can rightfully expect is that the NCAA skips the show-cause, which they will, and Pearl gets on at a mid-major and his back in the tourney next season while we go 0-25.

"I condone fun things" ~~ Cortland Finnegan

Hello ladies. Look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me.

by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pearl didn't report the bump because he and his staff didn't consider it to be a violation

The strongest rumors are that it was simply an accidental “Hey coach, how’s it going?” from a player and a conversation that lasted less than a minute. UT is supposed to fight the charge that it was a major violation.

So you’re right that it seems the sentiment has changed drastically for Mike Hamilton (and maybe some of the others in the decision making process)…but I don’t think it’s going to have changed that drastically among the fans at all. 90 minutes worth of returns on this poll still show 62% in favor of keeping Pearl.

by Will Shelton on Mar 17, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

That does play into it

But last time the poll happened, we didn’t know these statistics about how likely it was to get a show cause.

Also, the poll asked what penalty we thought it would take for firing. This poll has no such questions. I think it still takes a penalty for a firing, but I think we’ll get the penalty, so we should fire while we can still undergo a coaching search.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 17, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

What statistics?

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Mar 17, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

What's happened?

6 months of discussion… and you let anyone ruminate long enough on anything long enough and eventually a twisted ankle becomes irreversible ankle cancer.

/badmetaphor’d

by Caban on Mar 17, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yet still a good metaphor.

If there were a national college sports fan shark jumping competition, UT would place well.

by David Hooper on Mar 17, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

I think the bigger difference is the discussion on whether or not we can win without Pearl, and how likely that is. The discussion has made me more optimistic about the program, and thus less attached to Pearl.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 17, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

although it's not clear how much of a difference there really is

Right now, the poll is split 60/40 in favor of keeping Pearl. Wasn’t it something like that last time?

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 17, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

In that case...

the discussion is being driven by a very loud and persistent minority.

Perception always drives the narrative.

by Caban on Mar 17, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Minority in which direction?

I’ve switched sides, generally speaking. But given the level of invective right now, it’s probably not worth explaining why.

Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.

by Chris Pendley on Mar 17, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose it's not that simple...

I think there is a local perception that there is a lot of pressure to remove Bruce…
and a national perception that we’d stick with Bruce if he started consuming babies.

The message boards and talk radio drive the local perception, and I don’t have enough faith in our local media or AD to actually spend the time sorting out the actual mood… with the exception of Rucker, who has written the only decent article on this in days.

by Caban on Mar 17, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be interested in hearing why

Although I understand if you don’t want to get into it. S’pose lots of emotions are high.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 17, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, here you go then.

But I’ve been trying to divide my emotions (which want Pearl there regardless of what happens) with my logic (which tells me that the program might need a full reboot). I was on Pearl’s side until Hamilton basically spilled the beans – I read his comments as “we’re canning Pearl, but I can’t tell you that right now”.

I was on the fence with Hamilton for a while (I’ve never been his biggest fan, but he’s been dealt a rough hand over the last 24 months). But his remarks are a complete slip-up at best and destructive at worst. Hamilton, near as I can tell, needs to go. If Hamilton goes, then Pearl needs to go as well; no AD is going to want a job with an embattled coach – who may be suspended – who led his program into sanctions. Better to jettison the whole thing and be done with it, as it’s a nightmare otherwise.

I don’t feel particularly compelled to justify or explain it further (I’m furious with Hamilton right now, and let’s just leave it at that). I don’t live in Knoxville, so I miss a lot of the local hubbub, and I tend to ignore opinion articles for the most part.

Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.

by Chris Pendley on Mar 17, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree regarding Hamilton

I’ve been thinking keeping Pearl was a riskier move than a coaching search for a while now, but I see how feelings towards Hamilton would sway opinion there.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 17, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

You aren't missing any of the local hubbub.

Our media outlets are doing a fantastic job of reporting everything at the drop of a pin.

by David Hooper on Mar 17, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I voted fire both

Hamilton: Has 3 programs in NCAA trouble under his watch. Also hired Lane Kiffin.

Pearl: The NCAA will let you get away with a lot as long as you don’t lie to them. Also, seems he lied to the university now as well.

Your program can’t be bigger than one coach. If John Calipari left UK tomorrow, UK would hire another coach and move on. If Pearl gets fired, you all hire another coach and move on.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
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by btcoop71 on Mar 17, 2011 9:01 AM EDT reply actions  

No one cares

Thanks though

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Hello ladies. Look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me.

by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Furthermore,

You can fire your slimeball and move on because basketball is all you have. We don’t have the past success to fall back on in basketball so we would like to prevent nuclear winter in that program similar to your football team.

"I condone fun things" ~~ Cortland Finnegan

Hello ladies. Look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me.

by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree with you coop, but lets dream for a moment...

Let’s say Joker takes UK football to incredible new heights. You start beating UT some, and Florida. You win SEC West games out side the state of Mississippi. Momentum builds and suddenly football is almost as popular as basketball. UK wins the SEC and goes the Sugar Bowl. There are rumors that UT tried to hire away your coach and he said no, UK is the only place I’d like to be. He even gets tested to see if he’s an appropriate organ donor match for Ashley Judd when she gets ill…

Then boom. NCAA is unhappy about an unreported and lied about secondary violation. No illegal benefits, no Cam Newton money, just a secondary violation that the coach wasn’t forward about. (Not as bad as Tressel) They don’t like that he tried to cover it up.

No one has brought football to this place before. Are you sure that UK would hire another coach and move on? Are you sure UK fans would be in agreement with that decision?

Apples to apples and what not

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by imhugeinjapan on Mar 17, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Joker got us put on probation, I'd want him fired

Hal Mumme took UK by storm in the late 90s. Took them to the Outback Bowl (first New Year’s bowl in a long time). However, he ended up getting involved in NCAA violations and was fored out. He technically resigned, but he was going to be fired.

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@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Mar 17, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now you do.

But that’s because your football team blows. Make the the BCS a few times under Joker and you might feel a bit different about a covered up BBQ with already committed players.

"I condone fun things" ~~ Cortland Finnegan

Hello ladies. Look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me.

by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also

TENNESSEE IS NOT ON PROBATION. NOR ARE WE LIKELY TO BE SO.

"I condone fun things" ~~ Cortland Finnegan

Hello ladies. Look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me.

by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dispute this

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@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Mar 17, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's laughable to think the program will be placed on probation

Unless you are clueless as to what is really going on.

Punishment for the program at worstmaybe be a scholly or two and a one-season postseason ban.

Not exactly probation.

Punishments for Lane Kiffin, Bruce Pearl and others are a different story.

"I condone fun things" ~~ Cortland Finnegan

Hello ladies. Look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me.

by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

ok
Punishment for the program at worstmaybe be a scholly or two and a one-season postseason ban.

Geting a posteason ban usually comes with probation (unfortunately speak from experience).

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Mar 17, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Usually it may or it may not.

In this situation, I don’t see anyway we get a post-season ban nor probation. None.

That’s an absolute worst case scenario that isn’t gonna happen.

"I condone fun things" ~~ Cortland Finnegan

Hello ladies. Look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me.

by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

probation is a nothing penalty

a postseason ban (or a coaching suspension, if we keep him) is a huge penalty

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 17, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have to disagree

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@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Mar 17, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

With what?

That your football team blows? 26 straight?

Or that a BBQ with already committed players isn’t exactly buying Cam Newton, selling mechandise, or paying Memphis coaches 150g’s for a recruit?

"I condone fun things" ~~ Cortland Finnegan

Hello ladies. Look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me.

by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not comparing this to Auburn or Memphis

I disagree that if Joker got UK in NCAA hot water that I’d want to keep him.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Mar 17, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

You fail to make the correct analogy though.

I highly doubt, expecially with the way you smurfs support Calipari, that you would be up in arms to fire Joker and your AD whomever he is if your football team miraculously made the BCS a few times, won the SEC a few times, and beat UT 3-4 times and then lied about a BBQ with already committed recruits.

"I condone fun things" ~~ Cortland Finnegan

Hello ladies. Look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me.

by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

There were people who wanted Barnhart gone over Gillispie

If Calipari got UK on probation, he’d be gone. Eddie Sutton got UK on probation and was forced out, and he’s a HOF coach.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Mar 17, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Again, you aren't doing it right.

You have success to fall back on in basketball. We don’t. What part of that don’t you understand?

"I condone fun things" ~~ Cortland Finnegan

Hello ladies. Look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me.

by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

So violations are ok because you are winning?

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Mar 17, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

No

It’s a bit different to stand by a coach that has brought unprecedented to success to a school as opposed to one who is bringing thus far marginal success to a school with 20+ SEC championships and multiple NC’s to boot.

"I condone fun things" ~~ Cortland Finnegan

Hello ladies. Look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me.

by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

That seems a bit premature Brian, since Calipari

has brought in three #1 recruiting classes, won 30 games last year, and still may win 30 this year as well. Not to mention returning Uk to the Elite Eight. No, it is not the final four, but it is a lot better than we had been in recent years while you guys were enjoying your basketball success under Pearl

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Mar 17, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe so

But in the long term, big scheme of things, those aren’t exactly the best stretch of seasons the program has ever seen is there?

Not by a long shot.

"I condone fun things" ~~ Cortland Finnegan

Hello ladies. Look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me.

by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, since we have not yet finished the second season, that would be extremely hard to judge.

There is also this factor, which even poor obfuscated and blind to his own ridiculousness Bobby Knight was forced to point out. Calipari has adapted to the current climate in the NCAA better than almost anyone. He has decided to embrace the rules as they now exist and is making strides within them. He is getting amazing things out of freshmen, and may very well be able to prove that the old addage of experience over youth is no more.

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Mar 17, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Calipari and WWW

Those guys looooove embracing rules. They hug ’em and they squeeze ’em and they just love ’em.

...just apologize for not thanking me.

by kidbourbon on Mar 17, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

that statement has nothing to do with the discussion, however,

I will say this. If you read the SI article on Calipari, you will find where Sandy Bell told Cal in no uncertain terms that he had to disclose all of his dealings with WWW at all times to the NCAA through her. She stated publicly that Calipari has had very little contact with WWW since his hire, all of which was at NCAA sanctioned events.

Now I understand the “image” everyone seems to hold about Calipari, and no one is going to change your minds here, so I will not attempt it. However, the rule to which I was referring is the one and done rule that seems to be generating so much difficulty for most of the coaches.

Calipari has said himelf that he hates the rule, but he will work with it until it is changed.

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Mar 17, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is laughable....

for so many reasons. Do you really think Calipari is the poster-boy for rules compliance? If anything, he should give clinics on how to cheat better than anyone else without getting caught.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Mar 17, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Assuming you have evidence to back up that claim

I would concur. However, I do not believe such evidence exists.

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Mar 17, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Add...

“How To Destroy Evidence” as one of the plenary sessions.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Mar 17, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

now you are reaching.......really reaching

I think this is much more attributed to the “hate” theory than actual proof.

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Mar 17, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really....

He cheated at Memphis and got caught and bailed after he had already done the same at UMass.

This is documented and factual. He may not have done it at UK…yet, but he is still a documented cheater so this comments are far from unwarranted.

"I condone fun things" ~~ Cortland Finnegan

Hello ladies. Look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me.

by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

your assessment of Memphis

is inaccurate. Calipari was named in none of the Memphis violations. He does have a culpability in what happened from one aspect only. He played Rose in the NCAA tourney after the school had been notified that he could be ineligible. but he did that on the advice of the Memphis compliance officer. Of course we now know how good Memphis’ compliance dept is. But the NCAA charged him with nothing.

That is documented and factual. Not the other way around.

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Mar 17, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

and again, my whole point here was to ask the question about what cause the change in the fanbase'

approach to Hamilton and Pearl here. I cannot say with any certainty what rules Pearl did or did not break. I know what the charges are, but not what has been proven. I am simply trying to figure out if it was Hamilton’s interview that threw everyone into a tailspin or not.

I am now and shall forever be the Cat in The Hat, The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!!!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Mar 17, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is no change in the fanbase in consideration of Pearl btw

Roughly the same amount of people still want to keep him.

It’s Hamilton that people are mad at because of the timing of his comments.

"I condone fun things" ~~ Cortland Finnegan

Hello ladies. Look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me.

by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Justify it how you wish.

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Hello ladies. Look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me.

by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are doing the same with Pearl

You realize this right?

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Mar 17, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, it is different here

Because we don’t contest that Pearl is a documented liar.

You smurfs seem to contest that slimy is a documented cheater.

The difference being that slimy left a wake of probation and punishment when he left 2 programs while the Tennessee program would have suffered no penalties at all for sceondaries had Pearl just told the truth.

"I condone fun things" ~~ Cortland Finnegan

Hello ladies. Look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me.

by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd say the NCAA report makes him a documented cheater

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by btcoop71 on Mar 17, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not going to debate semantics really

But you obviously missed the point again.

Pearl lied and that’s why he and UT may get punished more. If he had told the truth, they are nothing but unpunished secondaries that every school gets every year.

If you want to call those cheating, then every program that has ever gotten a secondary is cheating.

Pearl lied.

Slimy on the other hand cheated as he committed major violations at two schools and left a trail of vacated wins, tourney appearances, and probation behind him on the way out the door (danmarcel please?).

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll do it...

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Mar 17, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I attribute it much more...

to the “having half a brain and not being as naive as a baby seal” theory.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Mar 17, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brian, do you consider the allegations against the football team a separate issue

even though they occurred under Hamilton?

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Mar 17, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes I do

Because, while Hamilton hired Kiffin, he also put David Blackburn in place as a compliance officer. David Blackburn told Kiffin what he couldn’t do and Kiffin did it anyway. Not exactly much Hamilton could do there is there?

On top of that, the NCAA only seems interested in punishing Kiffin and not our football program.

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aren't there NCAA issues with the baseball team as well?

Even if you keep Pearl, Hamilton has to go.

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by btcoop71 on Mar 17, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

No

Baseball was cleared.

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

No...

but nice try.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Mar 17, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

UK...

corners the market on moral high ground.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Mar 17, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since the hiring of Sandy Bell after the Hal Mumme scandal,

actually yes, UK can take the moral high ground. We have even had less secondary violations in the Basketball than all but 1 other school. Vandy.

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Mar 17, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I stand in awe...

of the Tower of Virtue that is UK athletics.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Mar 17, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

and
I highly doubt, expecially with the way you smurfs support Calipari

You realize you are doing the same with Pearl right?

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by btcoop71 on Mar 17, 2011 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

But, he hasn’t ever had anything vacated has he? Nor will he.

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

He hasn't, and won't

Memphis shouldn’t have either, but that is another story.

UMASS, Camby took money, cut and dry.

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by btcoop71 on Mar 17, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tee 'em up

And VolBrian knocks ’em out of the park. You tell ’em, sir.

Don’t let them know baseball has been cleared. That would screw up the national media-driven agenda against Pearl and Hamilton.

I hope Pearl stays. I fear the worst.

by pound the rock on Mar 17, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couple of thoughts

One – not that I didn’t enjoy Hal Mumme and the air raid sirens – but there’s a huge difference between the Outback Bowl and what Pearl has done at UT.

Two – and I’m sure you’ll enjoy it – we’re not UK. If Calipari left, Kentucky is always going to be in position to go out and get an elite coach (or at least a guy that’s thought to be one). UK’s last three hires have come from Memphis, Texas A&M, and Georgia. Tennessee’s last three hires have come from Wisconsin-Milwaukee, Tulsa, and Oregon. And any of our ability to draw with facilities and recent success would be hampered by the rebuilding project from the inside and the potential NCAA sanctions from the outside. (Though it’s possible Hamilton got an unofficial sense from the NCAA what the penalties would be without Pearl, who knows). It’s much harder for us, and Pearl’s success is so much higher than anything that’s been done here before.

by Will Shelton on Mar 17, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see your point

I brought up Mumme in relation to realtive succes vs NCAA violations. UK football most likely will never consistantly be in consideration for a BCS bowl. 2007 was the best chance, and they blew it in the second half of the season.

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by btcoop71 on Mar 17, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

this is what I was getting at with my little story

UK football winning SEC east and going to(not winning) Sugar Bowl is comparable to UT Hoops winning SEC regular season and going to elite 8

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by imhugeinjapan on Mar 17, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still don't think it's as hard as it was six years ago

Pearl has made the job so much more attractive. Obviously, we’re still not Kentucky. But we’re the most attractive job on the market right now. Oklahoma? NC State (yeah, go compete with UNC and Duke. have fun)? Tennessee has the money, the facilities, and a winning team.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 17, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here is a question for you.....

would Tennessee hire Gillispie? Knowing that his preblems stemmed from the pressure of being at Kentucky and he has put that behind him?

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Mar 17, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder about how he would relate to the fanbase

But I have faith in his on the court abilities, and he would not be a bad hire.

The names that immediately come to mind are Turgeon and Marshall. But Gillispie might be worth a look.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 17, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

maybe urban meyer could do it

cause after Pearl who is there? He has done so much, slayed giants, I just have a hard time imagining anybody could have been more successful at UT over the last few years.

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by imhugeinjapan on Mar 17, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I saw something interesting on GVX actually

Let’s throw 4 mil at Pitino and see what happens. If we get rid of Pearl that is.

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

there are lots of big names

That we can throw 4 mil at and see what happens. And if your list of big names is bigger than eight, I wouldn’t be shocked if we got one of them.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 17, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll pass on Gillispie

After Pearl, if a move is made they’re going to pendulum swing to a much safer choice

by Will Shelton on Mar 17, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

So Bruce Pearl cheats, lies about it, and gets us into major NCAA trouble...

… and 48% of voters want to fire Mike Hamilton but not Pearl?

Oooooh-kay…

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by birdjam on Mar 17, 2011 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

I shouldn't do this,

But which part of this was “cheating and lying about the cheating”?

The BBQ was “cheating”?

The phone calls maybe, but he didn’t lie about those.

If you consider the BBQ as “cheating”, wow, just wow.

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

The "cheating" isn't what the NCAA will focus on

It is the lying to the NCAA.

The violations are all secondary, which wouldn’t be a big deal. But, lying to the NCAA is considered a major violation.

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by btcoop71 on Mar 17, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

You missed the point

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ooh, fun - a semantics debate!

Twist the words any way you want to, but breaking the rules is considered “cheating” by most people.

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by birdjam on Mar 17, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hamilton's recent talking has pushed me to the edge with him

His timing was terrible.
I think Bruce and Mike should be tied together. I’m not saying fire both or keep both, but as one goes so goes the other. In my never humble opinion

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by imhugeinjapan on Mar 17, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, I'm asking this question honestly,

what redeeming factors does Mike Hamilton have going for him? I understand the rationale for wanting to keep Pearl…the guy’s done wonders with the program and has taken UT to new heights in no time (at a time where y’all really needed something other than football to focus on, at that). Hamilton, though? It seems to me that after three separate sports have landed under the magnifying glass of the NCAA under his watch, it would be time to go.

by hailtogeorgia on Mar 17, 2011 9:59 AM EDT reply actions  

That would have been my question as well.

How do you disassociate the violations of three different sports coming under Hamilton’s tenure?

And assuming you can do that, at what point does all of this become Hamilton’s responsibility?

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Mar 17, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Two sports

And as I explained above, Hamilton put in place a compliance director that Kiffin ignored. So, you can only hold Hamilton responsible for hiring Kiffin, not the violations.

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Baseball was cleared btw.

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

ok....was not aware of that.

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Mar 17, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was under the impression there were issues with Baseball as well. Is that not true?

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Mar 17, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

That doesn't answer my question though.

What redeeming factors does Hamilton have going for him? I understand that baseball was cleared, but they still came under the microscope of the NCAA…something that you simply don’t want happening. When the NCAA comes in, they like to stay a while, even if their initial goal isn’t reached (ask A.J. Green and Georgia about this).

Hamilton did put in a compliance director that Kiffin ignored, and that’s a valid point defending Hamilton. However, at some point, you have to look at who’s captaining the ship, don’t you?

by hailtogeorgia on Mar 17, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ultimately maybe

But people are far too quick to assume that Hamilton was complicit in all the violations. Sure, he hired Kiffin and Pearl, but Pearl lied and Kiffin ignored compliance, so how was Hamilton supposed to know.

One comparison I like to make is what if Pat Summitt had done exactly what Pearl did instead of Pearl doing it.

Do we still have this discussion about firing Hamilton or Summitt?

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Objection, Your Honor.

You know Summitt would just stare down the NCAA until they dropped the charges.

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by Chris Pendley on Mar 17, 2011 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Nicely done.

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, probably not.

Summitt, however, has built up a tremendous amount of goodwill with the University, both in terms of achieving and maintaining success, as well as in avoiding issues with the NCAA. As far as I know, she’s run a pretty squeaky clean program, hasn’t she?

As for Hamilton, yes, he may not have known that Pearl and Kiffin would do those things, but they were still his hires. You’re still not answering my question, though (and I don’t mean that in a snide or accusatory manner). What redeeming factors does he have?

by hailtogeorgia on Mar 17, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not entirely sure tbh

His fundraising and expansion of facilities has been unmatched thus far.

He is by all accounts a fantastic person. You won’t catch him brunk in a BMW with Orange panties. (yes, I know that is uncalled for, but I don’t like Georgia and it is the only such action by an AD that I can reference)

Most of all to me though, I want to keep Pearl, but I really want to keep Dooley. If we fire Hamilton, Pearl is gone regardless of NCAA punishment I am certain and I would also be concerned for Dooley’s young tenure.

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

And by "brunk" I mean drunk

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am too, and I like Dooley

Although if anyone can get along with an AD, it should be him, right?

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 17, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fundraising and expansion of facilities aren't a hard quality to come by in an A.D., though.

The very athletic director you reference with your panties quip was an excellent fundraiser and did great things for UGA’s facilities.

I think Dooley would be about the safest of folks to keep his job if Hamilton were out. The guy’s as straight of an arrow as they come, and after all the Kiffin mess, I would be shocked if a new A.D. came in and ran Dooley out of town (especially if he’s enjoying success/improvement).

by hailtogeorgia on Mar 17, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quote or link.

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

and from the Chattanooga paper as well. I am begrudgingly impressed.

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

FWIaW (For What It's also Worth)... she back-tracked days later when her comments created the predictable firestorm of controversy...

… claiming that she wasn’t specifically referring to Pearl, even though her comments were in the context of a conversation about the Pearl allegations.

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by birdjam on Mar 17, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is semantics,

but it’s going to be argued here. She said if she violated NCAA rules, she should be fired. She did not directly reference Pearl, and she subsequently stated that she supported Pearl and her comments were in no way related to him. Take that for what it’s worth, but I don’t doubt her.

by hailtogeorgia on Mar 17, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

One other point to all of this would be, how many of those recruits were lost because

Pearl asked the parents and students to lie about what happened?

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Mar 17, 2011 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Maybe one.

He only told that to Craft’s dad. And he didn’t tell them to lie. He told them that they shouldn’t be at his house, but he wouldn’t tell if they wouldn’t. I know, semantics.

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's pretty shady.

Even if he didn’t explicitly state for them to lie, we all know what the implied meaning of “I won’t tell if you won’t” is. It certainly doesn’t help that Pearl didn’t enjoy a pristine reputation when he took over the program, either.

by hailtogeorgia on Mar 17, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

What exactly was wrong with his reputation when hired?

Do tell.

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

That he recorded a recruit telling him that another school was buying them a car?

Do we have to go over that again also?

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly my point

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, there were a substantial amount of people who thought Pearl was a snake in the Illinois stuff.

I should probably refresh my memory on this, but wasn’t the coach Pearl pointed out for recruiting violations (Collins?) ultimately found innocent? I definitely remember that there were some allegations about Pearl’s improper behavior with recruits, though. There was something about giving a recruit $100 to buy clothes, arranging for a recruit’s friend to get a scholarship as a manager if the recruit signed with Pearl’s school, giving several guys money to go to the red light district in Amsterdam, giving them travel money while in Amsterdam…I can’t remember all the fine print, but I’m pretty sure these were all allegations towards Pearl. The allegations may or may not be true, but they were part of his reputation, nonetheless.

by hailtogeorgia on Mar 17, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

You need to source that if you are going to throw stones as an outsider.

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

In other words, it all sounds made up

And Pearl was lied to by a recruit. Pearl didn’t make the statement, he simply recounted what he was told.

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, but

I’m not sure it’s a rep I worry about knowing the circumstances. That rest of the above mentioned nonsense is the rep of a cheater which he didn’t have until now I guess.

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just thought he was referring to overall reputation

Pearl’s wasn’t great, even before this mess. Mostly because the NCAA coaches don’t like to be reported to the NCAA.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 17, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you for seeing my comment for what it was,

and not mistaking it for some hackjob trying to disparage Pearl. Pearl didn’t have the best reputation before Tennessee. Is that wrong?

by hailtogeorgia on Mar 17, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on who's judging.

There was a bit of a black mark on him for reporting other coaches. Apparently, it’s wrong in the basketball coach’s club to do that. So yes, other coaches wouldn’t vouch for him during interviews, but it’s now a question of whether it’s right to report such things regardless of the opinion of your peers.

I’m not saying the black mark is right or wrong – just saying that it’s subjective to the viewpoint you choose.

by David Hooper on Mar 17, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's fair...

and yes, those things should be reported, regardless of the opinion of your peers. The question, then, becomes why Pearl would exhibit the opposite behavior with the “if you don’t tell, I won’t” BBQ stuff.

by hailtogeorgia on Mar 17, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because he's human like the rest of us.

High pressure job, lots on the line, extremely competitive, etc. etc. etc. Doesn’t make it any more right and adds the hypocrisy label to it, but I can easily see why something like that would happen.

by David Hooper on Mar 17, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Best comment of the thread.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Mar 17, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

so the same terrible reputation

Phil Fulmer has for ratting out Bama?

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by hal41605 on Mar 17, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good point Hal

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not throwing stones.

I haven’t the entire time I’ve posted on here. You’re trying to make me out as an “outsider” when I’ve been objective in every comment I’ve made.

You can check out an article detailing those allegations here. I’ll go ahead and say, I understand that the article itself is very much slanted against Pearl, but the lawyer’s findings still remain.

by hailtogeorgia on Mar 17, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

I’m sure the Illini website has no vested interest in dispargaing Pearl’s reputation with unfounded accusations much as you did.

I can link any number of sites saying Mark Richt is a cheater, but until the NCAA says so or a Georgia blog does you aren’t exactly going to be concerned are you? That also wouldn’t be very “objective” would it?

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Calm down, man.

Did you read what I read? I clearly said that I understand that the article is slanted against Pearl, but that the lawyer’s findings remain the same.

I wasn’t trying to disparage Pearl at all. I stated that Pearl didn’t enjoy a pristine reputation when he was hired, you asked in what way. I gave a few examples of things I remembered, you asked for a link, I provided it. I wasn’t citing the writer with the obvious agenda (again, something I alluded to when I linked the article), I was referencing the findings of the lawyer.

As for Mark Richt, no, I wouldn’t be concerned if you called him a cheater because he’s widely respected around the league as a guy who doesn’t have problems with moral turpitude and he has a reputation as a man who is honest and of integrity.

Again, where have I been anything other than objective?

by hailtogeorgia on Mar 17, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Richt has a reputation as a "man who is honest and of integrity"?

Before or after he sent his entire team to dance like a bunch of fools in the endzone after scoring one TD?

Before or after he retroactively punished Washaun Ealy for past crimes once he had secured the #1 HB recruit?

Shall I continue?

You opinion of Pearl’s reputation is of no concern or consequence tbh and neither is some Illinois lawyer’s whose “findings” are merely payback lies for Pearl being misled by a recruit.

I engaged in debate with a Georgia fan against my better judgement. I’m done now.

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, Richt has earned that reputation.

The celebration (though it wasn’t an order to the entire team) was an ill-conceived attempt at jogging some life into his team, and Richt subsequently apologized for it. Nothing of that sort had happened prior to that point, and nothing of that sort has occurred since.

I’m not sure what your quarrel with the Ealey suspension is. Ealey failed to report for a punishment run the week of National Signing Day. Shortly thereafter, he was suspended. How Isaiah Crowell had any relevance on that whatsoever is beyond me.

Richt has a track record of doing the right thing. He suspended Ealey last year when Ealey broke rules. If you’d like, I can give an extensive list of players who have been suspended or kicked off the team, regardless of the consequences to Richt or Richt’s job security. He pre-emptively benched his best player last year when he was being investigated by the NCAA, even when he could’ve really used that player in three critical SEC matchups. He kicked an Elite 11 quarterback whose mother worked in the UGA Football Office off of the team when he had no established starting quarterback.

Pearl’s reputation was questioned by people around the country before he ever arrived at Tennessee (whether rightly or not), a fact that’s been supported by more than one Tennessee fan during this thread. I don’t say that to disparage Pearl, I say it simply to offer another perspective.

The fact of the matter is that my being a Georgia alum has absolutely no relevance on what I’ve posted in this thread whatsoever. In fact, I think it’s pretty doubtful that you would have any idea what team I supported if it weren’t for my handle explicitly stating it. The only references to Georgia in any of my comments here have come in response to a question or a dig that you made directly concerning Georgia, so save me the “I engaged in a debate with a Georgia fan against my better judgement” crap.

by hailtogeorgia on Mar 17, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

tl;dr

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does it?

I didn’t read it.

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

lots of big words and logical arguments. I’m sure it would be tough for you, but you’ll get there someday, don’t worry.

by hailtogeorgia on Mar 17, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Big words?

I’m impressed! I thought the only letters Georgia fans could string together were D, U, and I

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again?

You mean I was wrong that I didn’t think that Pearl had a reputation as a cheater before we hired him? You mean I did know that and forgot?

Or was I wrong that he committed a ton of violations before coming to UT that only seem to be known to Illinois fans for some reason? You know since nobody else but a trolling Georgia fan has even mentioned in the 6 years he’s been here or that the NCAA ever addressed. Can’t believe I could be so wrong!

Hey, but at least I have a driver’s license!

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said he had a reputation as a cheater.

I said he didn’t have the best reputation, something that was supported by several other people (Tennessee fans, included) in this very thread.

I also never said he committed any violations. I said that I remember alleged violations involving Amsterdam, among other things. You asked for a source, so I googled “Bruce Pearl Amsterdam” and clicked on the first article that appeared. Voila. Somehow, I’m trolling, though.

by hailtogeorgia on Mar 17, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

So hailtogeorgia is a troll...

… but you’re the one who answered his reasoned, thoughtful response with “tl;dr” and then tried to mock him for being illiterate?

Nice.

by vineyarddawg on Mar 17, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Reasoned and thoughtful it may, but I still didn’t read it.

I pretty much stopped paying him any serious attention when he came into a thread full of already agitated Tennessee fans on an already agitated Tennessee blog and proceeded to make unfounded, unfactual, and undocumented accusations about our coach that we are already up in arms about.

Making inflammatory comments in such a manner in an already inflammatory situation is pretty trollish.

The only reputation Pearl had prior to Tennessee is as a whistle-blower, the same as Fulmer after the Alabama case.

If you want to come into this discussion as an outsider and not appear to be a troll, don’t glibly repeat false accusations made by a scorned fanbase for the purpose of making the discussion more volatile than it already is.

Better? Big words and all?

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Your kneejerk accusations that anyone who disagrees with you is a "troll" would be ironically funny...

… if they didn’t reflect so poorly on on the rest of the commenters here (IMO). hailtogeorgia’s comments didn’t seem unreasonable to me at all. Illinois fans are not the only people who thought poorly of Pearl after the Deon Thomas incident. As I recall, the entire Big Ten (outside of Iowa fans) thought Pearl’s actions were unseemly. Indeed, the Pearl bio coming into UT was that he had finally been given a chance at a major program after being blackballed for so long. That was a nationwide perception, not just in Champaign, Ill.

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by birdjam on Mar 17, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

But you once again are missing my point. I really don’t think you even read my posts there Eeyore.

Sorry for making you look bad too. I know you hold appearances very high on your list of priorities.

Not once anywhere here have I contested Pearl’s reputation regarding his taping of Thomas and subsquent whistleblowing.

If you would slow down and try to comprehend what you just replied to you would see that my main issue is the unfounded accusation that Pearl was widely known as a cheater when we hired him.

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

You really enjoy attacking people, don't you?

Vol fan, non-Vol fan, it doesn’t matter. If anyone dares express an opinion that is slightly different from yours, he is a troll. I am generally able to laugh it off, but yes, your condescending attitude and poor treatment of people who really don’t deserve it does reflect poorly on this site (again, in my opinion.)

And I did read your posts. Until today, I thought it was a given that people in arguments here read what they were arguing with, but I guess that can’t be taken for granted anymore.

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by birdjam on Mar 17, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

Just pretty much you.

You are soooo concerned with opposing fans opionion of Tennessee, the fans, and this blog that you can’t see past hating yourself.

Furthermore, I’m not really concerned with how I “make the blog look” in the eyes of Georgia fans or Alabama fans or Kentucky fans. I know you are and that’s your thing, but rival fans really don’t have our best interests at heart I hate to break it to you.

In my opinion, since we’re just throwing them around, this blog and fanbase could use a little more attitude instead of the roll-over-and-die spirit you seem so fond of.

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah

There isn’t another Vol fan here that I have ever “attacked”.

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, I can't believe you referred to me as a Vol fan

I thought anyone who dared speak objectively about the Vols was automatically the enemy.

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by birdjam on Mar 17, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I won't question anyone's fandom

As idiotically as some go about expressing it.

As I have told you in the past, I truly believe you are a Vol fan, and I truly believe you hate being one.

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

And it's just you

That always seems to hate themselves for being a Vol fan and always trying to be “objective” as you think you are.

If you took the time away from the self-loathing, you would notice that I haven’t “attacked” any other Vol fan here for wanting to fire Pearl or Hamilton and there are plenty who have said so including I_S, Graysnail, goldballs, etc. etc.

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

And if you'll provide me with a single example...

… of me appearing to hate myself in a comment on here, I’ll be glad to explain/discuss it with you.

But I don’t hate myself at all, nor do I hate being a Vol fan. No matter how much you seem to want me to.

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by birdjam on Mar 17, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would love to see some examples...

…of my “roll-over-and-die” attitude. Also some examples of my hating myself. But I won’t hold my breath for you to provide any.

And I won’t apologize for caring how I and my fellow Vol fans are perceived by non-Vol fans. For years I have enjoyed having a reputation as a classy fanbase, above the type of crap we have seen from Florida fans and others over the years. You may not care how others see you – and from the way you treat people on here you clearly don’t – but I guess I was raised differently. I try to treat people with respect and courtesy until they give me a reason not to.

I’m not familiar with this hailtogeorgia guy, but his posts in this thread have been level-headed and reasonable, in my opinion. I don’t automatically discount anything he has to say simply by virtue of of what school he is a fan of, and I won’t apologize for that either.

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by birdjam on Mar 17, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bully for you

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ease up, y'all.

Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.

by Chris Pendley on Mar 17, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

You read it!

Progress…

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by birdjam on Mar 17, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

That goes for both involved parties, by the way.

Debate points all you want to, but keep it out of the personal attacks.

Y’all want to do that, Rivals is thataway.

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by Chris Pendley on Mar 17, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please,

show me where I made inflammatory comments and unfounded, nonfactual, undocumented accusations.

The only time my tenor has been anything other than reasonable was in response to your “tl;dr” quip. I never said a single thing disparaging Tennessee. To be quite honest, I never brought school connections into the debate at all. You seem to be unable to get past the fact that I’m a Georgia fan, when my comments weren’t indicative of that at all.

by hailtogeorgia on Mar 17, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right here
there were some allegations about Pearl’s improper behavior with recruits, though. There was something about giving a recruit $100 to buy clothes, arranging for a recruit’s friend to get a scholarship as a manager if the recruit signed with Pearl’s school, giving several guys money to go to the red light district in Amsterdam, giving them travel money while in Amsterdam…I can’t remember all the fine print, but I’m pretty sure these were all allegations towards Pearl. The allegations may or may not be true, but they were part of his reputation, nonetheless.

You may have been only rehashing what you “heard” but making that comment and using it as an argument to disparage the reputation of the coach that nearly everyone here but birdjam is standing by and defending won’t win much support other than his.

It’s ok though, go on back to Dawg Sports and keep whining about how mean and ignorant old VolBrian is.

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wasn't using it as an argument.

You asked what might have contributed to his less than stellar reputation, so I cited the allegations. I made sure to include that they were allegations, as well as saying that they may or may not be true. None of those things are baseless, nor are they accusations. They were statements of fact regarding Pearl’s reputation.

by hailtogeorgia on Mar 17, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

You cited allegations

That no one outside of the Univeristy of Illinois had ever heard of other than you and birdjam and not once in his six years of employment has he ever been mentioned as having any kind of reputation as a cheater.

They aren’t statements of fact regarding Pearl’s reputation as they aren’t facts and Pearl didn’t have that reputation until now. What part of that don’t you understand and why can’t you see how saying something like that that is based on the vengeful accusations of a scorned fanbase cause a Tennessee fan to react negatively?

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could it possibly be

that you were a bit thin-skinned on this stuff and took my objective points about possible reasons that Pearl didn’t enjoy a great reputation (again, reasons that you ASKED FOR) as an attack on you/UT, simply because he’s UT’s coach and my handle indicated that I’m a Georgia fan? I mean, somehow my inflammatory comments managed to only inflame you.

If you have a different opinion of Pearl, great! That’s fine, because it’s an opinion, not a fact…something you seem to be missing.

Here’s the thing, man. Not every rival fan hates you. One of my best friends is a Tennessee alum, so we talk about this stuff a good bit, hence my wondering what some other Tennessee people had to say about it. Don’t get me wrong, on gameday I want to beat Tennessee as much as anything, but I’m not going to think ill of you for the rest of the year just because you’re a Tennessee fan, because that would be childish and silly.

by hailtogeorgia on Mar 17, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was once on a recruiting visit in season

And the coach told me not to even touch a ball on my visit because it was an NCAA violation to have recruits participate in practice in season. All the other recruits were participating, because they played in a state with a different schedule.

It seems like a pointless rule. I liken Pearl’s situation to if he had let a guy shoot a few hoops and then tell him “you aren’t allowed to participate in practice, but I don’t think that was a big deal, so just don’t go spreading it around.”

I’d still rather he not do that, but I won’t crucify him over it.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 17, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

by the way

I apologize for the choice of words. I am not Brandy Pearl.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 17, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha.

I didn’t even catch that until you pointed it out.

by hailtogeorgia on Mar 17, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess my overall would be how I think the NCAA is going to look at this.

I dont think the NCAA is going to separate all of the issues, or violations (however you want to call them) and when you add everything up, it appears on the surface as quite a list.

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Mar 17, 2011 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I think we can shelve the NCAA's opinion until they figure it out themselves.

Something’s going to happen, but it’s heavily confounded by the self-imposed and the SEC-imposed penalties. Even if you try to use the Calhoun penalties as a measuring stick, you have to remember that the penalties Bruce has suffered are already far worse than anything that UConn gave Calhoun, and UConn/Calhoun was more stubborn about fighting the charges than UT has been so far.

To be honest, we can pretty well forget about the initial charges – the BBQ and the phone calls – because the penalties already served more than cover them. We’re basically just looking at the lying now, as well as the possible bump. (And the bump has yet to be formally added to the inquiry.)

But in short, it’s not just “how much should Pearl be punished?”; we have to look at it as “how much more should Pearl be punished above and beyond what he already has?”. Given the NCAA’s seemingly inconsistent nature here, we can pretty well assume the answer is that of the scarecrow: some go both ways.

by David Hooper on Mar 17, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

The lying is where I have no idea how the NCAA will rule.

Dez Bryant lies and they take his entire senior season away. Who knows how they’ll handle this?

by hailtogeorgia on Mar 17, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am at work and do not have time to read all this right now. sorry if i am just repeating.

I was on the fence about Hamilton until now. The fact that he gave that interview yesterday when we play our first game tomorrow is ridiculous. There is no excuse for coming out like this publicly at this time. He could have just as easily come out and said these things much sooner (like November-which I believe is when he said he found out about bump) or waited until after the NCAA is over (which could be as soon as tomorrow for us). Either he was just being impulsive, which is bad, or he possibly wanting to put more pressure on Pearl so that he will fail and be easier to fire. I am sure there are other possibilities but I do not see any good reason for the timing of all this.

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by goldballs on Mar 17, 2011 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

thespiritofthehill gave some reasons in the "Funk" post comments that made sense to me.

You and I may not agree with them, but they may explain the timing.

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by birdjam on Mar 17, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Those actually make sense to me as well.

I don’t like the idea, but it is shrewd if it’s accurate.

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by VolBrian on Mar 17, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

don't make sense to me

I think back channels suffice. This has lowered my opinion of MH.

$.02

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 17, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

they don't make sense to me

I mean if we are wanting to go after a D1 coach, chances are he is in the tourney right? well I would imagine he is more worried about the tournament that finding his next job. I see NO advantage to doing this now rather than in a few days. What will happen in the next few days that is so important? I mean realistically we are not favored against Duke if we beat Michigan so why not wait till Monday?

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by goldballs on Mar 17, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure he just made a mistake...

that’s all, the guy isn’t exactly an evil genius.

Makes a lot more sense to me that he just put his foot in his mouth than this is part of some elaborate scheme.

by Caban on Mar 17, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

although none of the first three games

include teams that I have in my Sweet Sixteen. So my vested interest is less than normal.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 17, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

If a 16 is ever going to beat a 1...

I have to think UNCA over Pitt is the best bet I’ve seen in several years.

Which still means it’s like 1/50, but hey… better than zero.

by Caban on Mar 17, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

hamilton should have been fired before he even got off the air yesterday

and he should be fired twice for playing the “misinterpreted” card about the stink bomb he intentionally arranged and dropped on the program 2 days before the tournament. quite possibly the lamest, most transparent excuse in the book.

if he really didn’t mean to cause a commotion, he should be fired a third time for being that incompetent and naive vis-a-vis the media.

what he did was either malicious or unfathomably incompetent, and he should be gone regardless of which one you want to buy into. i would not allow him to have any further impact on the program’s future, and especially not let him pull the trigger on bruce. either let the other guys in the room come to consensus w/o Hamilton or let his replacement decide. i don’t see how anyone could come to the conclusion that his judgment isn’t obviously compromised after yesterday.

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by hal41605 on Mar 17, 2011 12:08 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree with this almost totally...

and I wasn’t even on the fence on Hamilton before this — I actively supported him. It’s like you said, there is no good excuse for that interview that flies.

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by sddbaker on Mar 17, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actual open thread...

here

It’ll be fun to discuss games rather than everything else for a little while.

by Caban on Mar 17, 2011 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

All right folks

Debate is good. Disagreement is good. But please be civil, and let’s stay away from personal insults, name-calling, and intentional provocation from either side, please.

Thanks.

by Joel Hollingsworth on Mar 17, 2011 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I apologize if any of my comments were out of line,

or were unduly provocative. That wasn’t my intention.

by hailtogeorgia on Mar 17, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not directed at anyone in particular

Just trying to lower the temperature a bit. But thanks for the reply.

by Joel Hollingsworth on Mar 17, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course Pearl had a reputation coming in...

…everybody has a reputation. The question is what you think of his reputation, if you perceive it as good or bad. Illinois fans hate him because he “ratted them out”, so his reputation is bad with them, and with people who think whistle-blowers are bad people. When I heard about it, it actually made my opinion of him improve.

I have to wonder, if it came to light that Thad Matta, for instance, was responsible for the NCAA receiving the BBQ picture, leading to the NCAA investigation, would he be blackballed like Pearl was? Would he then have the dreaded “bad reputation”?

I’m also really curious as to how the NCAA found out about this supposed “bump violation” Pearl didn’t self-report it, as he considered the contact to be so innocuous and brief that he didn’t think it was necessary. Considering the timing, I have to believe he would be super-vigilant about reporting anything that remotely resembled what would normally be a secondary violation. So really, how did the NCAA come to know of this situation? Someone had to tell them. It would be great to know who that was. If I didn’t regularly make fun of conspiracy theories, I could almost imagine a scenario where a rival recruiter, knowing Pearl would be there, somehow steered this kid toward him.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Mar 17, 2011 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

VolBrian thinks it was me

I kid, I kid…

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by birdjam on Mar 17, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

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