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[UPDATE, 03/21/11 3:22 PM EDT ] Sigh. Bruce Pearl's been fired.

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I'm off the fence.  Not sure I was ever really on it.

Bruce Pearl should stay as the basketball coach at the University of Tennessee.  I believe this more now, on the heels of what is by far his worst loss, than ever.  Maybe it's only when the end could be painfully close that we fully realize what we're about to throw away.

I remember watching Phillip Fulmer's press conference, announcing his forced resignation.  The events of the past few months had exhausted and divided the fanbase, and when Mike Hamilton pulled the trigger, a majority of us believed it was the right thing to do.  Maybe the only thing to do.

But watching that press conference, you also realized something else:  what we were giving away we wouldn't find again.

No one loved the University of Tennessee more than Phillip Fulmer.  Even if we hadn't ended up trading him for Lane Kiffin, we gave away a Vol For Life - because no one has ever embodied that term more than Phillip - for someone without the personal connection to the university.  That didn't make it the wrong decision, then or now.  But it made you realize we wouldn't find one like Fulmer again.

Bruce Pearl is a Vol By Adoption - an outside the culture, outside the family hire.  But no one has done more good for the University of Tennessee in the last six years than Bruce Pearl.  He became - he is - one of us.

And if we let him go now, we may never find one like him again.

Star-divide

(Let me preface the following with this:  I do not believe it is within the realm of possibilities for the Vols to retain Pearl if he is hit with a multi-year suspension.  A program can survive and manage without its coach for one year.  But more than one year is too big a problem for any institution - too many issues in recruiting, leadership, direction of the program, chemistry, etc.  So if and only if Mike Hamilton and the powers that be have somehow been made aware that the NCAA will hit Pearl with an additional two-or-more-year suspension if he remains employed at this university, I do not believe there is any argument that could save any coach in that situation, and all of the following will not matter.)

I'm not saying that Tennessee Basketball can't be successful without Bruce Pearl.  I'm saying what everyone already knows to be true:  Bruce Pearl has redefined what  it means for Tennessee Basketball to be successful.  And there is no going back.

In October I'll turn 30 years old, and lived in Knoxville every day for the first 24 of them.  My Dad took me to games as soon as I was old enough to understand what I was seeing.

In 1996, Kevin O'Neill took a 13-13 Tennessee team - sixth in the SEC East - to the SEC Tournament, needing one win to make the NIT.  And I remember staying up late to watch Steve Hamer set a tournament record for rebounds in the last game on Thursday, as the Vols beat Alabama.  I remember cheering like crazy for that team, who made UT's first postseason appearance of any kind in seven years.  They got bounced on Friday in the SEC Tournament and lost the first game in the NIT.  But that was success.

In February of the following year, we played Kentucky in Knoxville.  The Cats had won eight straight in the series.  They only beat us by ten.  I left the game genuinely excited, thinking about how close we were getting.  That was success.

Anyone who calls today's loss the worst in the history of the program shows their age or their ignorance:  in 1999 Jerry Green's second team made it to the second round as a 4 seed.  In the second round, we lost to 12 seed Southwest Missouri State, 81-51.  It was the exact same margin in a matchup we had ten times as many reasons to win, with exponentially fewer distractions.  It is the most embarrassing single game display I've ever seen from a Tennessee team that mattered.  It was John Ward's final game.  But two days earlier we won our first tournament game in sixteen years.  So overall, that was success.

This program has a history of getting it half right on its basketball coaching hires.  Kevin O'Neill recruited the players, Jerry Green won with them.  Green made four straight NCAA Tournaments, won an SEC Championship, and took Tennessee to its first ever Sweet 16 (since the field expanded to 64 and it took two wins to get there).  We fired him.

Don't get me wrong - anyone who was around back then was happy to see him go.  Green's "If they don't like it they can go to K-Mart" interview was the dumbest in the history of the program.  Mike Hamilton gave him a run for his money this week.

But Green is the best example of the fact that it's about more than wins and losses.  His incredibly successful run put an average of 15,500 butts in the seats every night.  His successor dipped it into the 12,000s in his final year.  Pearl gets 19,000+.  If the powers that be at Tennessee understand anything about what's at stake here, it's this.

And don't forget, Buzz Peterson was a great guy.  He was a safe hire.  He made a pair of NITs in year two and year three.  We called it "the process".

So let's say the next guy comes in here and makes the NCAA Tournament three out of five years.  He makes the NIT the years he doesn't.  He puts together two good recruiting classes in a row, and one of his teams in that five year period wins two games and makes the Sweet 16.

That is what I believe to be fair criteria for success in basketball in the SEC if you are not Kentucky or Florida.  Other than Kentucky, Florida, and Tennessee, you know how many SEC teams have made the Sweet 16 during Pearl's tenure?  LSU made one.  Vanderbilt made one.  That's it.

At any other point in Tennessee Basketball history before 2006, we call the guy who does that one of the best coaches we've ever had.

But we can't go back.  And under Bruce Pearl, we call that stretch below average.

You know it all:  six straight tournament appearances, three division titles, an SEC Championship, a number one ranking, three Sweet 16s, and the first Elite Eight in the history of the program.  Bruce Pearl is a dream that, before this year, kept coming true.

He is not bigger than Tennessee Basketball.  He is the best thing that's ever happened to it.

Who wants to follow him?

Depleted roster.  Looming NCAA sanctions.  But more than that, the knowledge that whatever you do, it won't be as good as what the last guy did.

If we fire Pearl, the very first goal I'd put on the new guy is, "Make the NIT by year two." 

That's the reset button, boys and girls, and maybe we're going to hit it either way.  So do you want to hit it with the best coach in the history of the program...or do you want to hit it with Random Coach X?  Even if Pearl is hit with a one year suspension and a one year tournament ban, the powers that be need to have the eyes to see that next year is going to be a struggle if Hopson and Harris go pro.  They also need to see Tony Jones sitting over there, and know that we could do each other a real favor - Jones has the experience already, and he gets a one year national audition.  We could survive a year of this.

It's also true that Hamilton made a move on Fulmer with the support of the people - he didn't have everybody, but he had the majority by the time it was all over.  The powers that be will not have the people on this move.  Two-thirds of our readers voted to keep Bruce Pearl on Thursday.  A staggering 91% support Pearl over Hamilton in a Knoxville News-Sentinel poll.  If Jimmy Cheek and/or Mike Hamilton move on this, they move against the people.

If there are additional violations that we don't know about, okay, fire him.  If we keep him and he commits another violation or covers something else up, okay, fire him.  Based on my understanding of the bump violation, I'm willing to buy the viewpoint that the coaches did not consider it to be a violation at all.

But what you have today is what you've always had:  a coach and a program that desperately need each other.

When the SEC suspension was announced, we first compared Pearl and Tennessee to a marriage.  And that's what it is.  Tennessee - and Mike Hamilton - pulled Pearl out of obscurity, giving him the chance that he wasn't sure he was ever going to get.  And he spent the first five years showing us how grateful he was.  When Mike Hamilton pulled the trigger on Fulmer then got burned by Kiffin, he needed Bruce Pearl.  And Pearl kept him afloat.

It's been Hamilton's own analogy that Tennessee Basketball needed an evangelist.  And resurrection is exactly what we got.

Pearl made stupid mistakes, and Pearl was dishonest.  We deserve to be punished.  Pearl already has been, and will some more.  It's his fault and he hurt us badly.

It's the dishonesty that's always bothered me most - not just the lying to the NCAA, but the culture of dishonesty that we introduced a recruit and his family to on our campus.  That, in my eyes, is Pearl's greatest sin.

RockyTopTalk exists as it does today because of Tennessee fans.  We who write on the front page do so because we love the Vols.  We also work hard to set bloggers free from their parents' basement.  Joel Hollingsworth is a lawyer.  David Hooper is in nuclear engineering.  I'm a pastor.

It's my job and my life to value truth.  To believe that, even for the university I love the most, there are more important things than winning.  That right and wrong do exist, and in this case Bruce Pearl did wrong, then lied about it.  The path of condemnation is very much before us.

But I believe in redemption.

This marriage is worth saving.  We can survive without each other, but it will not be the same.  And I do not believe that Bruce Pearl and Tennessee Basketball will ever be as good apart as we are together.

Stand by the man who has done more good for us than anyone, ever.  Take the punishment he deserves.  Fight through it together as a family.

Save Bruce Pearl.

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I think your italics is backwards

You said we should let Pearl go “if and only if Mike Hamilton and the powers that be have somehow been made aware that the NCAA will hit Pearl with an additional two-or-more-year suspension if he remains employed at this university”

I would amend that to we should keep Pearl “if and only if Mike Hamilton and the powers that be have somehow been made aware that the NCAA will hit Pearl with something less than a two-year suspension if he remains employed at this university.”

The risk of a two-year suspension is greater than the risk of a coaching search.

You certainly write a good article, but I’m not with you here. Bruce Pearl has done more for Tennessee than you credit him with—he’s put us on that Florida level than can expect success.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 18, 2011 11:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I just don't buy the assumption

that because Pearl created success here, we can expect the next guy to also have it. Pearl is the exception. I think we’ll get the rule.

by Will Shelton on Mar 18, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

it depends on the next guy, obviously

But if you create enough success to make a job attractive to good coaches, the next guy will probably be a good coach, hence one who can sustain the success.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 18, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like this post

and I shall rec it.

And Mrs. Hooper deserves her very own rec as well.

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by VolBrian on Mar 18, 2011 11:10 PM EDT reply actions  

re: worst loss

i made that comment in another thread, purely from an emotional impact perspective. all the pearl baggage just compounds the ugliness and makes it about as hard to swallow as any as i can remember.

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by hal41605 on Mar 18, 2011 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

completely understand

certainly didn’t have you or anyone here specifically in mind. Much more so the people who weren’t even paying attention just a dozen years ago.

by Will Shelton on Mar 18, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't remember watching the SW Missouri State game

I do remember watching the Delaware game and being quite frustrated with our play. I was 11 years old, guess it’s funny what you remember and what you don’t.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 18, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

One positive that game had that today doesn't

we believed better things were still to come, and they were. Won the SEC and made the Sweet 16 the next year.

by Will Shelton on Mar 18, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

true

I also remember watching that North Carolina game. Ugh.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 18, 2011 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember that game

I was 12 years old and was writing a paper…and started crying.

by VolnVA on Mar 18, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well-written as always, Will

Not sure the marriage analogy is the one to go with in a “Save Pearl” piece, though. I’m only half-joking…

But I already miss Pearl. I’ve missed him all year, the Pearl we knew, the Pearl we trusted.

If the NCAA punishment is a year or less, I want to keep him too. I just don’t think it will be. And if Hamilton/whoever find out from whatever sources that it will be more than a year, then I want them to do what they have to do, even if I won’t like it.

Lou Brock loves Lamp.

by birdjam on Mar 18, 2011 11:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

One other thing that niggles in the back of my mind

Maybe I’m fretting unduly. But if Melvin Goins doesn’t hit that three against San Diego State, how does this conversation look?

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 18, 2011 11:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Absolutely the same

because Tyler Smith hit that shot at Memphis. Because Chris Lofton hit that shot over Kevin Durant. Because Dane Bradshaw hit that shot at Florida. Because…

by Will Shelton on Mar 18, 2011 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because Dane Bradshaw hit that other shot against Florida?

Because Brian Williams tipped in the miss against tOSU?

by VolnVA on Mar 18, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

we were up one when he hit the shot

that’s too many layers of what’s already a hypothetical

by Will Shelton on Mar 18, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know

we won by the margin of the shot. I was just trying to point out how close we are to having been really frustrated with our team over the last three years. I thought we’d lose without that shot (but I was there, and sometimes that’s different), but we’re still the game of Goins’ life from asking ourselves serious questions as a program. That’s a fine line. And that worries me, at least a little bit.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 18, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

And if Clint Storner just falls over instead of trying to catch himself with the hand holding the ball

We don’t win the National Championship. I understand your point, but we could play this game all day about how things were almost different but weren’t.

by VolnVA on Mar 18, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, I know

and the game against Ohio State was fantastic, regardless of what it took to get there. I’m just thinking out loud, in a lot of ways

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 18, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, then

Because Scotty destroyed USCe with the SEC title on the line? Because we made it to the SECTCG for the first time in 17 years?

by VolnVA on Mar 18, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeaaaaah

I have no warm feelings for the 2008-09 team. None. At all.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 18, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Won the East, made the Dance

we were having this conversation at the time too…but before the Elite Eight season, that was still a successful year for UT.

by Will Shelton on Mar 18, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

That team frustrated the crap out of me, too

But still accomplished things that we haven’t seen in these parts in a long time.

by VolnVA on Mar 18, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

come on

none? that was a really good team. also one of the most successful seasons in school history.

Get 'em.
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by danielreese05 on Mar 18, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

for real?

that was a 9 seed that flamed out of in the first round of the conference tournament and didn’t have a quality win all season. or am I forgetting one?

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 18, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

mistyped

and I forgot about Marquette. they and Siena were the only teams we beat all year that had single-digit tourney seeds, weren’t they?

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 18, 2011 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Siena and Marquette were both Top 35 RPI wins

at the time, that was a good season. I will argue this til I die.

by Will Shelton on Mar 18, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

and I'll argue pretty vehemently against it

we were preseason top 15. we played in a two-bid league and didn’t win it. we got a 9 seed and lost in the first round of the tournament. we couldn’t beat three straight NIT (or worse) teams to win the SEC tournament.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 19, 2011 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

preseason ranks are all just speculation

Michigan St. was ranked number two for gods sake.

Get 'em.
you are NOT a beautiful or unique snowflake.
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010

by danielreese05 on Mar 19, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

okay

we played in a two-bid league and didn’t win it. we flamed out in the first round of the NCAA tournament. Our last win over a legit tournament team was December 16th.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 19, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

no I agree, it was a massive under achievement

but I’m just saying that I never look into preseason rankings as anything more than speculation

Get 'em.
you are NOT a beautiful or unique snowflake.
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by danielreese05 on Mar 19, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

We played great against Alabama and a really solid Auburn team

Not so much against MSU. I drew parallels between the ‘08-’09 team and this one several times this year. Couldn’t shoot 3’s, couldn’t win close games, but certainly not a “bad” team.

by VolnVA on Mar 19, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

neither of those teams were solid

and we lost to both in the regular season, which I’m convinced is the only reason we beat them in the SECT.

It wasn’t a bad team, but it was nowhere near what it should’ve been. Definitely a massive underachievement, which I refuse to consider success.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 19, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Bama was actually pretty good...

Calipari and Donovan both spoke very highly of them. I’ve got my eye on them for the future at least.

Get 'em.
you are NOT a beautiful or unique snowflake.
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by danielreese05 on Mar 19, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm so out of it right now

I didn’t even notice that I was talking about this year’s team. in any case, yeah Bama was pretty terrible.

Get 'em.
you are NOT a beautiful or unique snowflake.
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010

by danielreese05 on Mar 19, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Auburn came on very strong from irrelevant to on the bubble

Think they won 24 games or so…but anyway.

I don’t disagree with you that they underachieved and were frustrating to watch (Will’s comments about chemistry and having “it” are spot on, I think). I’m just saying that pre-Pearl, that was a great season.

by VolnVA on Mar 19, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh, pre-Pearl, sure

I was just operating under Pearl expectations by then. I wasn’t calling for his head or anything (among other reasons, I’m not crazy), but I wasn’t happy.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 19, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

But going back to my earlier point on the "what if" game

That team lost 6 games that came right down to the end…if they win 3 of those, they go into the tournament at 24-9 and get a 6 seed and are in position to do more damage. These things can go either way.

by VolnVA on Mar 19, 2011 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know if there's any way that team gets a 6

LSU was 14-2 in conference and got an 8.

But the real point of the exercise was to recall that it wasn’t much more than a year ago that we were having to defend Pearl against fans that wanted his head. Now we’re trying to keep him in the face of a year long suspension because of an awesome run last year.

My feeling is that the correct attitude is in between those. Anyone who wanted him gone last year or the year before was crazy. But I’m not sure he’s worth keeping if it means we have another year of Tony Jones first, plus added recruiting (and refereeing?) troubles when he gets back.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 19, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I understand

And honestly, I’m not quite sure that I’ve taken a position on the issue yet. I’m much more of an “in the moment” sort of person, and in this current moment, I’m angry/depressed that we played like garbage today.

by VolnVA on Mar 19, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've been angry/depressed

with this team since December. I haven’t let it take over my rational side yet (I’m not saying we should fire Pearl regardless of suspension), but it has taken away some warm fuzzies. As has my desire to see the uncertainty end as soon as humanly possible.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 19, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

we have low standards around here

but even so, I was mixed up with the 08 team. they were a Sweet 16 team, of this I am sure.

Get 'em.
you are NOT a beautiful or unique snowflake.
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010

by danielreese05 on Mar 18, 2011 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think coming into this year

was the first time in the history of the program where we could say making the tournament wasn’t enough – this wasn’t a bad year, was definitely disappointing and it certainly wasn’t a good one. I think the 2010 team set the new bar as the Sweet 16/SEC Championship as how we determined success. Now, of course, we’ll have to throw all those expectations out either way in the short term.

by Will Shelton on Mar 19, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that's been true ever since Pearlfection

Which is why the ‘08-’09 and ‘10-’11 teams count as disappointments.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 19, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

was I foolish to expect a repeat of 2010?

or at least a year in which we ran away with the east? I know that losing Chism was huge but Harris and Hopson are extremely talented and of outside of Prince and Maze you basically have the same team as last year right?

Get 'em.
you are NOT a beautiful or unique snowflake.
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by danielreese05 on Mar 19, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think we all expected it in early December

After the dismantling of Pitt…but we were just deceiving ourselves, apparently.

by VolnVA on Mar 19, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

No...

We’re learning what it’s like to have a basketball program with stability and success, we honestly didn’t know how profoundly our team would be affected by the loss of Prince and Chism.

It’s a process… but the learning kind… not the justifying keeping Buzz Peterson around by lying to yourself kind.

by Caban on Mar 19, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

From the start

we overvalued talent and undervalued chemistry with this team. Lost in the shuffle of everything else today were Pearl’s comments about Hopson and Tobias never gelling. The 06-08 teams had The Secret. The ’10 team discovered it after the arrests. The ’09 and ’11 teams never had it.

by Will Shelton on Mar 19, 2011 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

although, regarding that '10 team

I remember having heated arguments here in March about whether they were any good or whether this was just a second straight year of vast underachievement. I was on the positive side.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 19, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

yep

we were pretty down after that Kentucky debacle though. which I had actually forgotten about until just now. yeah, that season could’ve ended with lots of unhappy feelings, couldn’t it

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 19, 2011 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

hmmm

interesting.

Three first-round flameouts in a row, not having won a tourney game since Loften graduated, and the last two teams being hit with player or coaching suspensions would not have me feeling so positive, regardless of those first three years.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 18, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Bruce handled the traffic stop incident with aplomb

He dismissed our best player and taught the suspended 2 of the others for more than 25% of the season. Not much more you could ask of him in that situation.

by VolnVA on Mar 18, 2011 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, he did. no doubt

that’s not my point at all. it’s three years of underachieving more often than not with off-court problems more often than not that I was trying to draw attention to.

I think Pearl is an excellent coach, and I want to keep him if he’s on the bench next year. I’m just not as convinced I’d want to keep him if he’s not on the bench until 2012-13.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 18, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a fair dividing line.

Trying to balance the risk of a new hire vs. the risk of a suspended Pearl is hard, and seems to involve a lot of guesswork with the assumptions. I don’t know where I stand, but I can’t begrudge your view or Will’s view.

by David Hooper on Mar 18, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Will's view is crazy or anything

without the italics section, I’d call it crazy. But I think this is the line for reasonable disagreement. I just hope we make the right call, whatever that may be.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 18, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

And we'll only know if it was the wrong call

if it backfires. We’ll never know if it was the right call (by that, I mean we won’t know if we made the better decision).

by David Hooper on Mar 18, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

true enough

I’m just really hoping it doesn’t backfire, whatever we choose.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 19, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

that really should factor into the decision

he made a really tough decision, but ultimately one only a true professional would have made. not only was it the right thing to do, but he also coached a team of walk-ons and backups to the freakin elite 8. all in all? I think keeping Pearl makes more sense than cutting him loose. he’s the single most important figure in modern Tennessee hoops.

Get 'em.
you are NOT a beautiful or unique snowflake.
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010

by danielreese05 on Mar 18, 2011 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

three words:

facebook. profile. picture.

Get 'em.
you are NOT a beautiful or unique snowflake.
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010

by danielreese05 on Mar 18, 2011 11:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I definitely did

as did a few others already who are fans of the RTT Page on Facebook (shameless plug in a time of trial!)

Seriously, chest bump/towel wave/whatever we do these days to Teresa. We talked about that idea amongst our front page folk before I went to dinner tonight. By the time I was back in the hotel it was ready to go. Spread it around however you like.

by Will Shelton on Mar 18, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did the same...

and just posted it on UTK’s wall

by Caban on Mar 19, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Accountability?

Hmmm, I have an idea, fire the guy that hired Lane Kiffin who is the same guy that canned Philip Fulmer, who now wants to can the best basketball coach Tennessee ever had. Hamilton must be made of teflon, none his bad decisions ever stick to him – what a politician. Yeah let’s let him make yet another catastrophic decision. Maybe Hamilton can destroy the basketball program next. Don’t sell short the positive impact Bruce Pearl has had in the community in his years at Tennessee.

by JoFar on Mar 18, 2011 11:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Washington shooting FTs, though

Makes the 1st, misses the 2nd, UGA’s desperation 3 no good.

by VolnVA on Mar 19, 2011 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Georgia goes down

there’s Florida and Kenctucky representing the SEC now right?

Get 'em.
you are NOT a beautiful or unique snowflake.
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010

by danielreese05 on Mar 19, 2011 12:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Ugh.

Yeah. I would much rather root for Vandy and UGA than UK and UF.

by danmarcel on Mar 19, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

No kidding

I had this grand weekend plan of watching UT win today, looking up the Charlotte chapter of the Vandy alumni association to watch Vandy play Morehead State tomorrow, and then watch UT play Duke on Sunday. Needless to say, this plan has not quite worked out as I had hoped.

by VolnVA on Mar 19, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ouch.

Well, that’ll learn you for making plans based around the performance of the UT and Vandy basketball teams. :)

by danmarcel on Mar 19, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I had about 5 people turn me down for this trip

Ended up coming alone…apparently they’re all smarter than I am :P

by VolnVA on Mar 19, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm almost glad we don't have to play Duke

we’d have almost gotten smashed for sure with Irving back in it.

Get 'em.
you are NOT a beautiful or unique snowflake.
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010

by danielreese05 on Mar 19, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

In all likelihood, yes

But we would’ve gotten to strap up and play the game…plus I would feel like my trip/expense/effort was justified.

by VolnVA on Mar 19, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not to take anything away from a scrappy Michigan team

but I would much rather have gone down swinging to Duke than getting manhandled by 4 GWGs.

by danmarcel on Mar 19, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was my immediate thought.

Better to get handled by a #1 seed than by a #8 seed. Even if that route by Michigan had little to do with Michigan’s abilities (other then them taking the gift we gave them).

by David Hooper on Mar 19, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

the thing that bugs me the most about this loss is that UM is just so one dimensional and yet we still couldn’t stop em.

or really, I guess the problem was that they stopped us like we haven’t been stopped all year. I guess shooting 35 from the field will do that to you.

Get 'em.
you are NOT a beautiful or unique snowflake.
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by danielreese05 on Mar 19, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's crazy

Michigan shot over 50% from the field. nice defense guys!

Get 'em.
you are NOT a beautiful or unique snowflake.
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010

by danielreese05 on Mar 19, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Couldn't stop them because we couldn't stop ourselves.

That “zero made free throws” stat tells one thing – that Tennessee had no aggression on defense. Not that we needed a stat to remind us of what we saw, but that was the basketball equivalent to playing Wyoming after Fulmer got fired.

-Why didn’t I make that connection before?

by David Hooper on Mar 19, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

just saw a recap of Georgetown's recent shortcomings

wow, just wow. guys, it could be worse.

Get 'em.
you are NOT a beautiful or unique snowflake.
Music City Miracles Hall Of Fame, Class of 2010

by danielreese05 on Mar 19, 2011 12:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Cam Tatum:
Don’t be surprised when I’m gone

-via twitter

Is that basketball-related, I wonder? If so, is it good or bad?

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 19, 2011 12:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow.

Talk about mixed feelings. I mean, I hate to lose any kid off any team, but… he’s just been really, really bad in ’11.

by danmarcel on Mar 19, 2011 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I mean

even Skylar’s missed threes hit the rim or backboard for Pete’s sake.

by danmarcel on Mar 19, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

confirmed

not basketball related. tells rucker to relax. I guess that’s good. there’s still hope of a turnaround next year

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 19, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

In the interesting tweet file
Pearl’ s kids love playing 4 him & he has accepted blame 4 his actions. With obvious penalty I now feel he deserves 2 nd chance.

By – get this – Dick Vitale.

by danmarcel on Mar 19, 2011 12:38 AM EDT reply actions  

interesting

we can’t get him working for the NCAA, can we?

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 19, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

A totally insane person working for the NCAA?

He’d fit right in. In all seriousness tho, given his statements on this matter earlier in the season, it’s a very surprising turnabout. I wonder why?

by danmarcel on Mar 19, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I remember when UT basketball didn't exist

I was a kid growing up in the 90’s here..when we had teams with only Allan Houston and then the biggest thing to talk about was how much Kevin O’Neill cussed out the refs/players/fans/mascots/etc. UT basketball was in BAD shape. I moved back to Knoxville right before Pear’s first year..and I instantly fell in love (in a fan-coach sense..) I absolutely loved his passion, his personality and his willingness to give his all for UT.

The man hasn’t been the “old” Pearl all year. You can tell it in the way he talks – it’s like he can tell the passion has been beaten out of him. Does he deserve more punishment? Absolutely. I honestly thought about getting rid of him but I agree..if we can keep the penalty to a year or less we should keep him. The much, much bigger problem is his boss. I think Mr. Hamilton might be bordering on the line of pure evil. How can you feel good about yourself or your job when he have that kind of interview two days before your team plays in the most important game of the year?

by Solid Orange on Mar 19, 2011 1:37 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I like a lot of what you're saying here.

I probably wouldn’t characterize Hamilton as evil, though, because I think Hanlon’s law applies quite often: “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”

That raises some questions on its own. I personally believe that this latest gaffe, while not affecting my opinion of him as a man, makes me seriously question his judgment and his ability to do his job. His last unqualified good decision was hiring Bruce Pearl. I thought asking Fulmer to resign was probably a needed move, though I might have given Coach one more year of leeway. Then, he hired Kiffin. I bought in once he landed in Knoxville, but I had serious doubts at the time of the hiring, specifically about how long he would stay based on his laughably low buyout clause.

This last screw-up shows me that the thought never even crossed his mind during the interview whether this might be bad for Tennessee athletics. Considering that “doing what’s good for UT” is the entire purpose of his job, this is, at best, idiotic or incompetent. I like Mike Hamilton, he seems like a decent guy, but when the foremost thing on your mind is no longer what’s best for our university, maybe it’s time for you to find a new one.

Never felt compelled to post until today, though I’ve been lurking around for a little over a year. Feels good to get some of this off my chest. (Though it’d feel better if I didn’t need to.)

Go Vols.
clorby – UT ’07

by clorby on Mar 19, 2011 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hamilton talked in that interview

about the importance of keeping UT fiscally sound as something he was really proud of, and compliance with the NCAA being his most important role as AD. But I agree with you: “Don’t hurt Tennessee” is his most important duty, and he failed in that task this week.

by Will Shelton on Mar 19, 2011 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not Evil Just Dumb

You are probably right about Hamilton. I wrote that post late at night after a rough day as a Vols fan and most of his problems probably stem from just plain ignorance. He doesn’t realize what he’s doing is wrong..or if he does, he’s in it for financial gain and not thinking about the fan. Either way, I think it is time for him to move on. I understand he has a lot of people and areas to manage, but don’t the beliefs of the UT fan have to at least factor in to his decisions? it’s like he’s lost (if he ever had it) his perspective as an AD…

by Solid Orange on Mar 19, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I rec'd this so hard I thought my mouse might break, Will.

______________________________________________
That's (333333jorkland)^2 and $$$$$$$$immons to you, chump.

by bobothevol on Mar 19, 2011 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

FWIW

Brent Hubbs says he thinks the suspension would be “as much as a year” we kept Pearl. For VolQuest subscribers, the link is here ($).

by Will Shelton on Mar 19, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

But if we keep Pearl

all the other fans on the message boards will make fun of us and hurt my feelings.
Pathetic. Man up Vols fans. Do you think any other team’s fans will think “you know, I used to hate UT, but since they fired their coach I really admire them now and support them when they play.” Screw the other fans, they’ll despise us no matter what. Same for ESPN—I don’t give a rat’s ass what anyone outside our Big Orange family thinks about us—and Bruce Pearl is family. Show the rest of the country what family means in East Tennessee—we’ll stick by our coach even if he has to sit out a year. Now that’s Manning Up!

by Florivol on Mar 19, 2011 11:51 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Wish certain political parties would follow the same script

Pearl gives us the best opportunity to succeed at Tennessee. For those who disagree, recommend a better coach who is also willing to come to UT with the cloud of sanctions over us and also work for Uncle Mikey Hamilton.

Stick by him. (And, Bruce, please return to the successful script that got us here. Press, be scrappy, be hungry, recruit smarter kids.)

Hey, bad guys. Look up in the sky. See the UAV? Nope? We see you. "Don't laze me, bro'!"

by memphispete on Mar 19, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

it all depends on the NCAA

If they’re planning on hammering us for keeping Bruce, he doesn’t give us the best chance to win. If we were to get out okay, he does.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 19, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keep the Pearl !

Goodness gracious. Bruce Pearl bleeds more Orange for this university than anyone I have seen since Johnny Majors. Let him without sin throw the first stone!

by CarmelVol on Mar 19, 2011 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Has there ever been a coach this popular among the fans

fired in this type of situation?

We love Bruce. If you don’t, you don’t love Tennessee.

What are you talking about, Willis?

by Huge Alien Head on Mar 19, 2011 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

As a fringe Tennessee basketball "fan", I couldn't agree more.

Tennessee is going to get anyone as good as Bruce Pearl if they choose to get rid of him. Did he make mistakes? Of course. Don’t we all?

He has meant SO much to the UT basketball program. He brought the program from being consistently mediocre to a consistent tournament team. He brought the program to its first Elite Eight appearance.

The man bleeds Tennessee basketball and is a perfectly good coach. Isn’t that what should matter the most?

JMO.

Is it September yet?

by TennesseeQuackAttack8 on Mar 19, 2011 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Remember the good ol' days before Pearl...

Ah… back to the good ol’ days.. Right? Before you criticize, hear me out. I was there during Buzz Ball with all the excitement it brought. The nostalgia of have having a basketball team that was so upbeat when they won 2… maybe 3 straight or would be euphoric if, and they never could, beat Kentucky or have a winning season. Ah… the good ol’ days. WAIT A SEC. WHAT GOOD OL’ DAYS. Come on people, I remember those days before Bruce came on the scene. UT mens b-ball was a complete joke & we were always at the bottom of the league. That alone should give the administration something to think about before they pull the trigger. Pearl has rebuilt the program, given it national status, & given the fans something to be excited about. Under Buzz ball, the arena would be half filled at best, the student section was dead, we couldn’t pull good recruits from anywhere, & every UT alum just didn’t care. Do we really want to go back to these days? NO! HELL NO!!! To top it off it’s for minor violations. I distinctly remember one Mike Hamilton pleading with Lane Kiffin to stay even while he kept adding violations on a daily basis & in front of every camera he could find. Now he’s wanting to fire Pearl for one? What a joke. Hamilton also has nothing to show for his tenure at UT either, except for a growing list of gaffs & failures. Not only that, but he’s commanding the fleet while his ‘captains’ are the one’s running aground. Personally, I believe that Hamilton’s fate should be tied into Pearl’s. If Pearl stays, Hamilton stays. If Pearl is fired or leaves, Hamilton is fired. After all, it’s good enough firing Pearl for his mistakes it should be good enough for the person responsible for letting them go on.

by nsanefire on Mar 19, 2011 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Disagree Hamilton Stays if Pearl Does

Hamilton was at the helm and supposed to be supervising BOTH Kiffen and Pearl and their staffs. Hamilton has not had the good of the University at heart, either, plus allowed embarassment to linger and added to it. The buck stops at Hamilton, and he is the one waffling instead of handling anything. Hamilton goes, period.

by former season tx holder on Mar 20, 2011 4:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hamilton Has No Idea

You talk about uniting a Vol nation: if Tweety Bird gets Pearl fired, you will not see the likes of a state uniting against him and the University President since the Mexican War when the great state of Tennessee’s quota was 2800 soldiers and 30,000 enlisted; a.k.a the Volunteer State
- can someone get these supporting comments to the President. Can we get an AD that at least looks like he knows what a jockstrap is rather than one who only knows where to record the cost of it on the ledger (I know not politically correct but tell you don’t think the same way). Also, can someone tell me why no one sees the punishment here just doesn’t fit the crime. You want a real cheater go after Calapari !

by CarmelVol on Mar 19, 2011 5:40 PM EDT reply actions  

One thing I love about this site (and this article)

Is the room for reasonable disagreement. I logged onto the Keep Bruce Pearl facebook page and immediately saw these messages:

If Bruce is fired, I will never donate, attend or watch another UT sporting event! Mike Hamilton needs to go, not Bruce!

Keep Coach Pearl, if they fire him I will not support U.T. Sports again with my money.


I hope Hamilton and the people he is “brown nosing,” (and we all know who they are ), realize they will destroy the Basketball program if they fire him. I will never go to another basetball game if they do.

A lot of people are calling for Pearl to stay, and I’m cool with that. A lot of people are calling for Hammy to go, and I’m okay with that.

But let this be a reminder to keep our heads, and of how great RTT is as a community that we haven’t had these sorts of comments.

by Incipient_Senescence on Mar 19, 2011 5:56 PM EDT reply actions  

We've been friends over 20 years, Will...

But you’re blinded by the success. As a University, we win…and we do it the right way. If we’re willing to accept cheating to get unparalled success…we’re no better than Alabama or anybody else. Winning can be done the right way. Kiffin and Pearl have embarrassed UT. He has to go. It sucks…but it has to be done.

by GhostDance on Mar 19, 2011 7:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

You know I have tremendous respect for your opinion

And like with Fulmer, you’ll have the minority opinion…and you’ll probably end up being right about the outcome.

But if we’re going to focus on cheating, then the question right now is, “Are we willing to accept the same secondary violations that every university in America is committing?” If Pearl didn’t lie, that’s what we’re dealing with.

My concerns with Peal surround his honesty exponentially more than the BBQ and the bump violation. If he had committed a major competitive advantage violation, I would not be behind him. I think he should be punished, and I don’t think we should contest or appeal a year’s suspension.

Also, haven’t we already paid the price on the embarrassment issue? If the powers that be were that concerned about avoiding embarrassment – and I’m very concerned that the people making decisions are mostly concerned about what the national media says – shouldn’t they have just fired Pearl in September? Are we really going to be embarrassed any more than we already have been at this point if we keep him?

by Will Shelton on Mar 19, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Totally agree with the last section. This year has been a giant scar on the face of UT…since the beginning. Yes, even while they were getting standing ovations at Neyland for winning the NIT. Remember every time you guys were complaining about Dykes and company “mentioning” Pearl’s suspension? Embarrassment. How about not giving ESPN any more ammunition?

Also concur on your fear that the bigwigs are waiting on Bilas and Vitale to sound off two or three more times…

by GhostDance on Mar 19, 2011 8:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Put me in coach.

I’m ready to play.

#TeamPearl

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Mar 19, 2011 10:36 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Hamilton is why I am a FORMER Season Ticket Holder Anyway-

I am in my 50’s; and for almost 30 years, I sat in the same seats in Neyland Stadium, through sleet, rain, heat exhaustion, and even my own high fevers. I followed the Vols to bowl games even when it meant driving a little Ford Escort across country. I slept in the Houston airport all night in order finally to make it to the National Championship game 2 hours before kickoff, starting out days before from the Nashville airport. If all I could afford was an EconoLodge, so be it. If it was a hotel suite where the team’s families were staying instead, those were the better years. But I did it all because I LOVED the UT Vols. I knew the players and their strengths and weaknesses, on and off field; I still follow them in their pro careers. I knew kids in the Pride of the Southland band and sat on the curb 2 hours in advance to be sure I had a good vantage point to yell for my relatives or friends and take photos, sometimes slipping a $20 bill to one at a bowl game if I knew they needed it. I also gave an extra ticket on occasion to a gatekeeper to give to anyone who needed it, and gave a ticket to a young Knoxville boy selling paper line-ups who had never seen inside the stadium (a rewarding experience to see a child’s eyes in awe at the field and players.) I simply did not miss a UT football game.

But Hamilton showed me that the tens of thousands of dollars that I provided to the athletic department through my season tickets and my years of BEING THERE for the teams meant nothing to him. He was short-sighted as a financial manager, declaring that because I had been a season ticket holder through my years of annual giving to the academic programs (as well as some athletic departments) since 1986, in Lane Kiffen’s year I was no longer to be allowed my season tickets. I was notified that I was equal to any person who was to be contributing to the Athletic Departments for the first time — ignoring tens of thousands of annual dollars spent on many games for which the stadium had become down to perhaps 60% full, at best, to the human eye, and many of my own tickets having gone unused themselves.

By the time Kiffen jumped ship & UT was calling trying to sell me the txs, I had had time to evaluate the emotional pain/hurt/insult of the long relationship with my alma mater compared to the financial aspect, realizing that I can get better seats together for groups at away games, bowls, etc. than UT tended to provide reliably. Hamilton takes fans for granted except the highest rollers, who may not be around more than a few years. He is incapable of making decisions about coaches any better than he is about long-term fan relationships. Losing the long-term fan base will end the ability to recruit, to fill the seats reliably, and this ran up expenses to fill the seats this past year already. If he sees his role as financial management first, then he fails miserably, and the next few years are going to prove this more and more — not because of decisions of Kiffen, Dooley, or Pearl.

I have several other points that go with this, but they only follow to the same end. I support your article. The time is overdue for Mike Hamilton to go. I have had personal conversations with him in the past about concerns in the last few years, including coaching issues before the Fulmer release. It has been clear to me for well before Fulmer was released that the bigger issue in our Athletic Department was in the decision-making at AD, followed then by Fulmer. Discipline – and all tone- is set at the top.

Thank you for letting me finally get this off my chest. I realize it does no real good, but I feel just a bit better for about a minute.

by former season tx holder on Mar 20, 2011 4:28 AM EDT reply actions  

I think there's a very important distinction that needs to be made here.

Every bit of Pearl’s success here has been legit, clean, and been done with very harsh discipline toward Major Wingate, Ramar Smith, Duke Crews, Tyler Smith, etc. There are more important things than winning, including the integrity of the university.

But if the university was that concerned about their integrity, they would’ve fired Pearl in September. There are enough people there who understand the value of what’s going on here to want to fight through it in September, and in November. I hope those people are still there now.

If we had found out Pearl had been cheating in the past, and had given UT any advantage that tainted the on-court results AT ALL in the last six years, this would be a completely different conversation, and the fan support would be unwarranted. “Turns out all our winning was because he cheated, but let’s keep him anyway!” is completely wrong. This isn’t that. At all.

This is a program with a legit six years, and a coach with a pair of secondary violations that gave us no competitive advantage. That’s why the dishonesty is the bigger issue. And in the face of the dishonesty, I still believe we should take our punishment and keep it together.

by Will Shelton on Mar 20, 2011 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

It all comes down to just how capricious the NCAA feels like being.

By that, I mean it’s a matter of interpretation of that lousy bump. Was it a legit bump that the NCAA is trying to escalate into a major violation? Was it more of a ‘bump’ than Pearl indicated? If that was a full-on conversation that Pearl tried to mask as an innocent bump just days after the presser, then there’s really no choice but to go in a different direction. If the NCAA is just trying to dig up an excuse to lower the hammer (any excuse will do, thankyoukindly), then we really should fight this one out. A post-mortem FOIA hunt could be very interesting.

by David Hooper on Mar 20, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree with all of this

My point is to people who would say, “They only care about winning and do not care about cheating.”

by Will Shelton on Mar 20, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

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