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Vol Villains Round One: Charles Woodson vs. David Greene

There may be other players that UT fans have found more villainous for less work - Jabar Gaffney for one play, Terrence Cody or Alex Brown for one game - but in the lifetime achievement category, David Greene has done far more damage to the orange and white.  He played a part in a single villainous moment, but unlike the others he kept bringing the pain in later meetings too.  And because he ended up knocking Peyton Manning out of the record book in a couple of prestigious categories, he shares something in common with his opponent...who is by far the greatest Vol Villain to never actually stand on the other sideline.

Charles Woodson

  • (Woodson will be accompanied to ringside by ESPN and the majority of Heisman voters).
  • If you're reading here, you probably don't need me to go into much detail on this and this isn't the post to do it.  The reasons haven't changed in 14 years.  If you really want to get into it someday, I'll get my parents to dig out the story I wrote for the Alcoa High School Tornado Times in 1997 and just copy and paste it here.  I don't think I'd say anything differently today.
  • As an aside for possible offseason conversation, this is admittedly part of the reason I'm always so against TCU/Boise State/whoever being ranked above an undefeated team from a major conference, as some did late into last fall:  just because you're bored with the way the process works doesn't mean the process is wrong.  In 1997, ESPN needed a story in a Heisman race that didn't have one as Manning was crushing everyone, and bored Heisman voters bought it.  Woodson, to his credit, played the part well.  He's a good villain, and a good defensive back.  But he was not the best or most valuable player in college football in 1997.
  • Vol fans, for the most part, have forgiven Chris Fowler for his "trailer park" comments after the announcement.  But even trashing Michigan in the post-2001 Citrus Bowl hasn't done much to ease the pain with Woodson.

David Greene

  • (Greene will be accompanied to ringside by Larry Munson).
  • As a freshman against a Tennessee team looking for blood after Georgia snapped a nine game losing streak in 2000, he led the Dawgs into Neyland Stadium and escaped with a 26-24 win.  His numbers were impressive:  21 of 34 for 303 yards and two touchdowns.  But it was his work in the final minute that drove home the hobnailed boot.
  • Beat the James Banks/C.J. Leak combo of death in 2002 by going 22 of 37 for 232 yards.  The Dawgs won their first SEC Championship in twenty years, the first time a team not named Tennessee or Florida made it to Atlanta from the East.
  • Back against Casey "I can beat them with one arm" Clausen, orchestrated one of the worst nights in Neyland Stadium history, 41-14 over the Vols with absurd efficiency:  22 of 27 for 228 yards and a touchdown.
  • Though the Vols got him back in his senior season, he is still the player most responsible for changing the course of the Tennessee-Georgia rivalry. 
  • Broke Manning's SEC record for career passing yards, and his NCAA record for wins by a starting quarterback (later broken by Colt McCoy).

We'll be back next Monday with the other four first round matchups...   

Poll
Who is the greater Vol Villain?
Charles Woodson
178 votes
David Greene
57 votes

235 votes | Poll has closed

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ugh

some troll actually voted for David Greene?

Ha, this isn’t even fair. No need for a writeup

by golfballs03 on May 12, 2011 8:28 AM EDT reply actions  

I want to know who voted for David Greene. For serious.

by GhostDance on May 12, 2011 8:32 AM EDT reply actions  

And Will...

I know you don’t believe this, but I actually still have a copy of that Tornado Times.

by GhostDance on May 12, 2011 8:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Validation!

I think the other writers on our ace journalism staff might’ve been a little upset over how much space Woodson took up in that particular issue. I hope it was the same one with the passionate defense of DiCaprio’s performance in Titanic.

by Will Shelton on May 12, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong, I have a special disdain for David Greene

He ushered in an era where UGA started winning and thus my obnoxious Georgia relatives really got under my skin. I will never forget the Larry Munson’s “greatest hits” VHS that they gave me for Christmas in 2000 wrapped in the AJC from the day after UGA won for the first time in 10 tries.

But come on…it’s Charles freaking Woodson.

by VolnVA on May 12, 2011 8:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, I'll be the contrarian here

I was the 5th vote for Greene. I thought it was close, but went with Greene based a little on volume, but based primarily on the boot. Woodson deprived Manning of an award I could barely care less about, but that hobnailed boot game? Pain. Travis Stephens should have had the game-winning run to cap off an excellent game. It was goosebumps. It’s a candidate for the loudest Neyland Stadium’s ever been.

And it was all for naught because of the hobnailed boot. More pain, so it got my vote.

by Joel Hollingsworth on May 12, 2011 9:05 AM EDT reply actions  

I almost abstained from this vote

I’m a lifelong Packers fan, and I have a pic of a three-week-old me in a Green and Gold bib to prove it. But it has to be Charles Woodson. No Vol has ever won the Heisman. The award might be over-hyped, but it’s an integral part of the fabric of college football. Aside from just confirming ESPN’s pro-Big 11 and anti-Tennessee bias, it also highlighted (again) how biased Heisman voters are in general.

by kingofzachland on May 12, 2011 9:19 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm shocked Woodson doesn't have the kind of lead that Spurrier did

Also, it was 2001, not 2000.

I know that year was painful, but getting them on the road when they were ranked #3 and were a double digit favorite in 2004 took away a lot of the David Greene angst. And I think most fans are still mad at Clausen for the 2003 game, not Greene.

by Incipient_Senescence on May 12, 2011 10:09 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm mad at either Clausen or Jabari Davis

Whoever went the wrong way and caused the fumble that was returned for the back-breaking touchdown before halftime. I’d be hard pressed to think of a more wild momentum swing happening on one play.

by VolnVA on May 12, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

that play succeeds, we go into the half with a lead

as it was, we’re down by two touchdowns. Which is to say, I can’t think of one either.

by Incipient_Senescence on May 12, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

"After Georgia snapped a nine game losing streak in 2000"

might need to buy a comma, perhaps, but believe me I remember when it was

by Will Shelton on May 12, 2011 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh, sorry about that

I misread the subjunctive clause and assumed typo.

by Incipient_Senescence on May 12, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're both right.

The hobnail boot game was 2001, but the streak was broken in Athens in 2000, in Donnan’s last year.

by danmarcel on May 12, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I voted for Greene

Cause I was never mad at Woodson. It was not his fault.

ESPN should be on there instead of Woodson.

Official MCM Hater!

A picture of Jake Locker in a Titan jersey?
"My iPod background now. Replaced the girlfriend. She won't be mad."

by gramsey712 on May 12, 2011 10:46 AM EDT reply actions  

One thing I wondered last night

If this happened today – with more coverage, with the internet available to a much higher percentage of the population, with twitter, with blogs, etc. – would sanity have been restored and Manning rightfully awarded, or would Woodson have won by an even wider margin?

by Will Shelton on May 12, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

But ESPN still holds the lion’s share of clout. Tennessee also has a natural disadvantage (like most other SEC schools) due to the strong bias of regional sports writers in Heisman voting.

by kingofzachland on May 12, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

The SEC has a lot more cred with ESPN today

Manning would have won in a landslide (as he should have in 97)

Bring it across, shape it down

by Getoffmyvols on May 12, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any Heisman talk would have been preempted for a Bruce Pearl timeline

Official MCM Hater!

A picture of Jake Locker in a Titan jersey?
"My iPod background now. Replaced the girlfriend. She won't be mad."

by gramsey712 on May 12, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

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