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Is Tennessee Athletics Trending Upward or Downward?

Well whattayaknow. Despite what too often feels like a long slow slide into an unfamiliar mediocrity, Tennessee is still fourth in the SEC in the revenue sports, according to one formulation by Mr. SEC. They also say, though, that we're on our way down rather than up, which has to be wrong because I want it to be.

What do y'all think? Derek Dooley's got the football program finally headed in the right direction, right? But basketball has taken a crippling nose dive this season, and the way back from that can't really be mapped out until we learn the extent of the sanctions in a few weeks. But on balance, we're climbing instead of slipping, right? Right? RIGHT?!

Who loves meetings? VolQuest has an interesting behind-the-scenes-at-football-staff-meetings piece with lotso quotes from Dooley and his staff about what appears to be a very healthy meeting culture. A quote from WR coach Charlie Baggett:

I think he encourages dialogue and he wants ideas and everybody can have their two cents and then he makes the decision on it," said defensive coordinator Justin Wilcox, who like Dooley hails from a football family and owns a keen understanding of the game. "At the end of the day whatever he decides, we're 100 percent behind and that's how the programs have to be run. But it's not one of those things where he never lets anybody speak. People are free to express their opinion and you just better have a reason. You don't just sit there and talk for the sake of talking.

We've all been in meetings where talking for the sake of talking and just trying to make it look like you're actually earning your paycheck is the predominant theme, right? Tell us your favorite meetings story below. We know you have them.

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Ugh. From Inside Tennessee: "For those keeping score at home: Pearl's 2005 returnees boasted 90 more career games, 151 more career starts and 1,095 more career points than Martin's 2011 returnees."

Woo for butts in seats. The Lady Vols once again lead the NCAA in home attendance for women's basketball. That makes it eight straight seasons and 14 of the last 15.

Unwoo for strikes at plates. Tennessee struck out 14 times in a 6-3 loss to Belmont, which is apparently a brand new way to lose for this year's UT baseball team.

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I’ll just leave this here.

by danmarcel on May 18, 2011 8:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Todd Raleigh - Steeeeeeriker - You are outta here!

Hey, bad guys. Look up in the sky. See the UAV? Nope? We see you. "Don't laze me, bro'!"

by memphispete on May 18, 2011 8:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Tennessee going down is an easy call to make

Nobody excepts Cuonzo to jump right in and have the success that Pearl did, although it would not shock me at all if he did over time. But it’s going to get worse before it gets better. So unless football gets a lot better, we’re on the decline. Now, I happen to think football is on its way up, but I don’t think wild success for Dooley is the standard prediction outside the Vol camp (maybe among Bama or LSU fans, but not in the conference as a whole). And baseball, while not a revenue sport, has nowhere to go but up.

Also, it continues that the more I hear about Dooley, the more I like him.

Heel for school, Vol for life!

Go Bolts! Out West, go Preds! Southern hockey solidarity!

by Incipient_Senescence on May 18, 2011 8:41 AM EDT reply actions  

If you equate football and basketball, then we'd have to be considered to be on the decline

because it’s not fair to Cuonzo Martin to suggest anything else. But football and basketball have never been equals around here, and if Dooley wins 8+ games, I think it’s going to feel like we’re trending upward overall.

The numbers about Pearl’s returnees and Martin’s returnees are a little skewed – C.J. Watson had started for three years and Lofton started as a freshman, so I’d have to assume most of those numbers are coming from two players. They’re certainly two players Cuonzo would love to have, but the top-to-bottom experience and body count are fairly similar between the two.

by Will Shelton on May 18, 2011 9:49 AM EDT reply actions  

maybe middle to bottom experience and body count

I think you’ve just disproven top to bottom equality by mentioning CJ and Lofton.

Heel for school, Vol for life!

Go Bolts! Out West, go Preds! Southern hockey solidarity!

by Incipient_Senescence on May 18, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Poor choice of words

But it’s really not that different in the sense that Pearl had one guy who had played a ton in Watson, and Cuonzo will have one guy who’s played a ton in Tatum. Again, huge difference between Watson and Tatum…I just thought those stats skewed a little more pessimistic than the actual picture is, and also believe that the amazing job Pearl did in his first year shouldn’t be retroactively downgraded because of who Watson and Lofton eventually became.

by Will Shelton on May 18, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, what Pearl did his first year was incredible

there’s no denying that. but I think it’s fairly obvious that Cuonzo doing the same thing would be even more incredible.

Heel for school, Vol for life!

Go Bolts! Out West, go Preds! Southern hockey solidarity!

by Incipient_Senescence on May 18, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like that's apples and oranges

just based on expectation. Had Pearl gotten us in the backdoor of the NCAA Tournament as a 12 seed, it would’ve felt incredible just because no one had any real expectations. We can rationally and rightfully say we have no expectations of Cuonzo right away, but having gone dancing six years in a row, it’s going to feel a little awkward if we don’t, and if we do – which would be similarly incredible – it’s not going to feel the same as what Pearl did.

Cuonzo walked into a unique and complex situation with the program and the fanbase. I just hope he can survive it long enough to give himself a fair chance to prove he can actually coach a year or two down the road when we’re more ready to win.

by Will Shelton on May 18, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would tell you my favorite meeting story...

but I fell asleep and missed it.

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on May 18, 2011 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

just got out of a meeting

2 people were asleep – one of them was my boss!

by golfballs03 on May 18, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

We had a VP snoring via conference call one day. That was fun.

by Joel Hollingsworth on May 18, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

My favorite are the meetings

to PREPARE FOR OTHER MEETINGS. /bringsforktostabeyesout

by TnseVol10 on May 19, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Upward!

Haven’t y’all been reading my tennis posts? We’re putting together a dynasty!

:)

...just apologize for not thanking me.

by kidbourbon on May 18, 2011 4:25 PM EDT reply actions  

revenue

sorry, man. tennis does not has it

Heel for school, Vol for life!

Go Bolts! Out West, go Preds! Southern hockey solidarity!

by Incipient_Senescence on May 18, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

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