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10 Questions for 2011 #2 - What is a fair expectation of Tyler Bray?

The closer we get to football season, the easier it is to create irrational expectations for your team.  And I can't remember a Tennessee player it's been easier to put those expectations on than Tyler Bray right now.

This isn't Bryce Brown (or even Maurice Couch), the newcomer that's so highly touted success is all but guaranteed.  This isn't Jonathan Crompton in the Clawfense, a player we've seen only flashes of in a mystery offense that will redefine the game.

We've actually seen Bray.  Seen him as the starter in five games.  Seen him throw for more yards and touchdowns as a freshman than Peyton Manning, Casey Clausen, and Erik Ainge did.  Seen him do so in fewer starts.  Seen him do so behind the youngest offensive line in the history of football.

This makes Bray different than the other end of the spectrum as well.  Even Peyton Manning, in the offseason between his freshman and sophomore seasons, had less reliable on-field data than Bray does right now.  Though Manning started more games, the '94 Vols leaned heavily on seniors James Stewart and Aaron Hayden in the ground game, and Peyton still shared time with Brandon Stewart until the bowl practices.

If you believe in numbers, you believe in Bray.  If you put the second half of the South Carolina game together with his five starts, Bray averaged 310 passing yards per game.  Not only would that number have led all freshmen nationally, it would've led the SEC.

But if you believe in context, you have reason to be skeptical.  How much can we really say about a guy whose starts came against Memphis, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt, and Kentucky in the Vols' 4-0 November run?

Here's what we can say with absolute certainty:  Tyler Bray knows how to light up bad defenses.  Okay.

Now what else can he do?

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You can use the numbers to make the case that Bray will be awesome.  You can use the schedule to make the case that we should wait and see.  And since he's only a sophomore, waiting and seeing is the healthier of two options.

If form holds, Bray should also light up Montana and Cincinnati.  And if he does, that may help deflect some of the criticism that could come if he struggles against the Gators.  Either way, just because Bray may not throw for 310 yards per game this fall doesn't mean he's not progressing the way he should be.  Playing with sophomore teammates at wide receiver and on the offensive line, it will be important to remember, early and maybe even often, that this Vol offense has every reason to be better in 2012 than it will be in 2011.

So what should we expect from Bray in 2011?

Since the best answer is still probably "Not Enough Information", here are some numerical comparisons:

  • Only two Vols have ever thrown for more than 3,000 yards in a season:  Peyton Manning (3,819 as a senior & 3,287 as a junior) and Erik Ainge (3,522 in 14 games as a senior).
  • The senior seasons of Manning and Ainge are also the only two times a Vol QB has thrown for more than 30 touchdowns (36 for Manning, 31 for Ainge).  You might be surprised to know that Jonathan Crompton's 2009 season is tied with Casey Clausen's senior year for third on that list with 27 TDs.

Here are the best individual seasons for each starting Vol QB in the last two decades:

  • Andy Kelly 1991 - 250.8 ypg, 15 TD, 15 INT
  • Heath Shuler 1993 - 213.9 ypg, 25 TD, 9 INT
  • Peyton Manning 1997 - 318.3 ypg, 36 TD, 11 INT
  • Tee Martin 1999 - 210.6 ypg, 12 TD, 9 INT
  • Casey Clausen 2001 - 247.4 ypg, 22 TD, 9 INT
  • Erik Ainge 2007 - 251.6 ypg, 31 TD, 10 INT
  • Jonathan Crompton 2009 - 215.4 ypg, 27 TD, 13 INT

I don't point out these numbers to say that we should expect Bray to join that group this fall.  It's to show that the ridiculous numbers we saw from Bray last year are a historical anomaly at this university for guys not named Manning.  And at this point, I'm more inclined to blame the competition than to praise the quarterback.

But even if the numbers aren't as good as they were last season, that doesn't mean Bray can't not only make progress, but be one of the best in this league.

Here are the same stats for the returning starting SEC QBs:

(Sidenote:  at a university that won National Championships with Matt Mauck and Matt Flynn and sent JaMarcus Russell to the top of the NFL Draft board, Jordan Jefferson fits right in.)

You can make a very solid argument that Tyler Bray could lead the SEC in passing this fall.  Not listed is Arkansas' Tyler Wilson, who will certainly be in the mix.  But with Garcia playing in an offense that features Marcus Lattimore and, on the other end of the spectrum, Murray playing in an offense that may not be able to make teams respect the run, as long as Jim Chaney is calling the plays, Bray has a real shot at the SEC passing crown.  And if the numbers from last year hold, he doesn't have to be as spectacular as you might be picturing him in your head to do it.

But to me, here's the most important thing:  yards are fun, but Bray's touchdown/interception ratio is the number to watch.  Last year Bray set all the UT freshman passing records, and that includes interceptions.  18/10 is a decent ratio, better than any of the pass-heavy QBs that return except Aaron Murray.  But again, context:  Bray's most telling stat last season could be his 8/6 TD/INT ratio in games against bowl teams.

The kid made some huge throws.  But the kid also threw some costly interceptions.  And he is almost certainly going to do a lot more of both this fall.

To a degree, it's fine:  Matt Simms threw just 5 INTs in 195 attempts, but we're all okay saying Bray is the better choice despite his 10 in 224 attempts.  As long as there's some reward with our risk, we'll continue to ride with our gunslinger.

But again - we may be picturing a 3,000 yard, 30 TD season from Bray.  But even if he throws for 2,750 and 25 TDs, he'd be among the best to ever play the position at this university, and could still be among the best in the SEC this fall.

Sometimes the hype is real.  We expected the world from Heath Shuler and got it right away.  We had seen flashes of greatness from Manning and Clausen in their freshman campaigns, and they showed true greatness on great teams in their sophomore years.  And as we've seen recently with Eric Berry, it does happen sometimes that you expect greatness and you end up with something even better.

Obviously the more we throw the football the bigger the numbers, and we're still very unsure exactly how much Chaney will lean on the running game.  We're also unsure if Da'Rick Rogers and Justin Hunter can become a true one-two punch.  I've made the point before that Bray's freshman year is even more impressive because he did it with less talent around him than Manning, Clausen, or Ainge...but is that really true at wide receiver?  Manning had the sophomore version of Joey Kent.  Clausen had Cedrick Wilson and Donte Stallworth, so he has an advantage.  But Ainge had a bunch of guys who hadn't come into their own yet; the Meachem/Swain/Smith group were just freshmen, making Tony Brown the go-to guy.  Bray may not have had a reliable offensive line or the great ground games that all three of those guys did, but Denarius Moore did make him look very good on a number of throws, and Luke Stocker and Gerald Jones were also huge positive factors.

Maybe Bray is everything we want him to be.  But if we do get the 30 touchdowns from our quarterback, they need to come with, say, no more than 15 interceptions.  Obviously the better the ratio the more success we'll have, but Bray's TD/INT ratio needs to be at least 2-to-1.  Again, this is the stat to watch if you're looking for maturity.  Between our youth, our defense, and our schedule, we could find ourselves in a number of shootouts that lead to a crazy statistical year for Bray with more of the same in yards, TDs, and INTs.

But I'd much rather see the Vols find real success in the ground game, and Bray have a measured year of growth.  If this is the case, the numbers may not be as inflated as we saw last year or we expect to see this fall...but they don't have to be for Bray to not only mature, but be one of the best quarterbacks in this league...and they don't have to be for the Vols to compete now, and be in the best possible position to win in 2012.

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Excellent analysis

While I hope Tyler does have a great season statistically, what I care most about is W’s.

by livininthepast on Jul 28, 2011 8:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Say what you want about Jefferson...

But we made him look like Vick.

Will, I don’t think we’ve had a chance to discuss this…and I’m sure you posted on it, but what are your quick thoughts on Bray’s Orange/White Game 5-30 fiasco?

by GhostDance on Jul 28, 2011 9:01 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Were you there?

Coldest Orange & White Game ever, by far. Legit 30 MPH winds, at least. Chaney was on the other team, so I’m not sure who was calling plays. Etc.

The only thing that’s stuck with me about that was a potential radar lock-on issue. Justin Hunter was the only proven target on Bray’s team, and he went to him over and over and over again (Justin Coleman did a good job on him in the red zone). That may be more of an indictment against the depth of our receivers though.

Every young QB has a game where they show you why they’re young. Casey Clausen did the same thing in similar weather conditions in the Cotton Bowl against Kansas State. So I hope Bray bypassed doing something like that in a game by doing it in a scrimmage. As long as he doesn’t put up a similar percentage in the first scrimmage this fall, I’m letting it go. I do hope they don’t draft teams that way ever again.

by Will Shelton on Jul 28, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't see the O/W game

But I remember having concerns about his tendency to lock onto receivers last year. That’s a pretty common thing with freshman QBs though, isn’t it?

Lou Brock loves Lamp.

by birdjam on Jul 28, 2011 12:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I was not there

But I get the feeling that you are right, Will, about that being his “terrible freshman game”.

But speaking from experience…when immature QBs aren’t comfortable with their reads entirely (trust issue), they will revert to the good ol’ high school “chuck it to my buddy” on every play and hope he goes to get it.

I just sincerely hope that Bray is living in Coach Cheney’s brain this offseason and training camp.

by GhostDance on Jul 28, 2011 9:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Great point about TD/INT ratio

This is what scares me the most about Bray. He made some beautiful throws last year but he forced some bone-headed ones too. And the anecdotal stories last year about him not being a “studier” or film-room fiend like Peyton was have worried me that he might not change. Oh well, at least it’s exciting.

Lou Brock loves Lamp.

by birdjam on Jul 28, 2011 9:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Brett Favre was never a film-room fiend.

That business model has obviously served Mr. Manning quite well over the years, but I don’t think it is the only viable business model. Some guys are more cerebral; other guys are more instinctual. Bray is clearly the latter.This isn’t to say we are better off if he ignores the film room — that would be silly. But I think jamming him in the peyton manning mold is the equivalent of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. They’re both tall and white and skinny and wear orange uniforms on saturday (at least used to be skinny, in the case of manning). But the similarities pretty much end there. Bray is much more Favre than Manning.

He’s a gunslinger. He slings guns.

...just apologize for not thanking me.

by kidbourbon on Aug 1, 2011 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

True...

… and Favre’s gun-slinging ways have generally been seen as a negative rather than as a positive. Not to mention, Favre had/has a lot more mobility than Bray, so he was able to do more ad-libbing in and out of the pocket.

Based upon his physical abilities, I think if Bray plans to model his game after a future Hall-of-Famer, Peyton would make more sense than Favre.

Lou Brock loves Lamp.

by birdjam on Aug 5, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

this:
But I’d much rather see the Vols find real success in the ground game, and Bray have a measured year of growth.

I think people will come out focusing on Bray, and I don’t know right now if he, Hunter, and Da’Rick can handle that. But I know that Poole carried the team for the first half of the season this year, and if he starts doing that again, things will open up for Tyler.

Heel for school, Vol for life!

Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!

by Incipient_Senescence on Jul 28, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Ground Game is Key

I agree with you, Incipient, that the ground game will be crucial. I know how much hype Bray is getting (and most of it is well-deserved) but I think with a O-line with a year under its belt and those WRs to take some focus away, Poole could end up having a monster year. I think he has the potential to be the 2nd or 3rd best RB in the SEC (with the top one probably being a Heisman finalist). The better he does the less pressure off Bray and then come his Junior year Tyler will most certianly be ready for that spotlight.

by Solid Orange on Jul 28, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Poole will surpass Richardson, Lattimore, or Davis

They’re extremely talented and have terrific supporting casts. But I think the door is open for him to have a big year. We’re sleeping on him a bit because of how he finished last year, but go back and look at the games against Oregon, LSU, and Alabama. Look at how inept our offense became after he left the UAB game. And this year, there’s more depth to give him some rest and an improved line to open more holes.

And this will help Tyler Bray.

Heel for school, Vol for life!

Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!

by Incipient_Senescence on Jul 28, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

No mention of Bray vs UNC in bowl game?

that’s at least a decent defense.

"I don't want one of those guys who'll drive in two but let in three every game." Casey Stengel

by tnredneckyankeesfan on Jul 30, 2011 6:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Here were the numbers nationally:

For passing yards allowed (out of 120)

South Carolina – 97
Memphis – 116
Ole Miss – 103
Vanderbilt – 75
Kentucky – 14
North Carolina – 50

On Kentucky, their numbers are inflated for the following reasons:
Western Kentucky – 97 yards
Akron – 105 yards
Charleston Southern – 129 yards
Pittsburgh – 96 yards (see: Dion Lewis)

So yeah, UNC was a step up – they were an average pass defense and Bray went 27 of 45 for 312, 4 TDs and 3 INTs. That’s the sort of stat line I’d lean on the most in terms of an expectation for him – granted one of those INTs was a batted ball, but you’re talking about lots of pass attempts (compared to 11 carries for Poole), a 60% completion percentage, lots of yards, some really big throws and some really big mistakes.

by Will Shelton on Jul 30, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember What Gerald Jones said about Tyler....

Jones wished he wasn’t graduating (at the time) and had 3 more years to play with Tyler because he was that good. Tyler has already proven he has a great arm. Some of the throws he made last fall were the best a Vol QB has made since you know who. There is no denying that, but there is also no denying his lack of accuracy and decision making at times last year.

How much he improves his accuracy and cuts down on interceptions from year 1 to year 2 will determine whether we upset any of the big boys in the SEC this fall. He’s yet to start a road game outside the state of Tennessee. That makes me very nervous come 3:30PM on Saturday September 17th.

by Jan221973 on Jul 31, 2011 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

14 wins = fair expectation

I mean, his right does double as a magic wand, which is unique from what I understand.

Full disclosure: I am the self-appointed President and CEO of the Tyler Bray Fan Club.

...just apologize for not thanking me.

by kidbourbon on Aug 1, 2011 11:52 PM EDT reply actions  

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