Florida 33 Tennessee 23 - False Start
by Will Shelton on Sep 17, 2011 8:17 PM EDT
in Tennessee Volunteer Football
Email
PrintI feel it's appropriate we title this post after a reason to throw a yellow flag, being that we saw 26 of them for 244 yards. But that's neither why the Vols lost, nor the biggest takeaway from this contest.
Did we overvalue Tennessee coming in? That's almost impossible to tell because of the injury to Justin Hunter, which all signs point to being one that will sideline him for a long time. Did we undervalue the Gators? To me, Florida was who we thought they were: Chris Rainey is spectacular, and the Gator defense created the necessary havoc to keep the Vols out of sync. A big part of that havoc was, surprise surprise, stuffing the running game. We joked coming in that maybe Tennessee should just throw it every down, but today it wasn't funny.
We also said that there was no reason to expect the worst against Florida, because all the major players in this rivalry have changed. The names may have changed, but here's what remains the same: Tennessee's inability to run the football against the Gators:
- 2005 - 25 carries, 66 yards
- 2006 - 23 carries, -11 yards
- 2007 - 21 carries, 37 yards
- 2008 - 31 carries, 96 yards
- 2009 - 32 carries, 117 yards
- 2010 - 23 carries, 29 yards
- 2011 - 21 carries, -9 yards
Derek Dooley should be the first to tell you that we don't need to celebrate moral victories. That was for Lane Kiffin and last year's team. I take no general solace in, "Hey, they only beat us by ten!" However, given what we saw today, there are some specific reasons to feel good about this team's future:
Tyler Bray is legit. I mean, we knew that, but he showed it to us today against a good defense with zero help from the running game, or his center. How much better could Bray have been if he had someone who could hit him in the hands with the shotgun snap? If James Stone can't get off a good snap when he's staring down a good nose tackle, he can't play center for us.
Regardless, Bray hung tough and played really well in his first hostile road start, and did so with no run game, no serviceable center, and no Justin Hunter. He didn't lock in on Da'Rick Rogers in Hunter's absence; it was true freshman DeAnthony Arnett who led the way with 8 catches for 59 yards. Overall nine Vols caught passes, including Hunter; Tennessee will need more from Zach Rogers and Arnett, and have a conveniently placed off week in front of them to figure out how to handle his absence.
Bray wasn't perfect, and put up the sort of numbers we thought we'd see coming into the year: 288 yards, 3 TDs, 2 INTs (though that last INT was in a situation where we had to start forcing it). But for all of his young mistakes, which weren't very many considering, he still made several bigtime throws, and still gives this offense the ability to score points on just about anyone. It won't be what it could've been with Hunter, but it can still be good.
Tennessee lost all composure when Hunter went down, and that's understandable. For most of the first half it was all of our worst nightmares from The Swamp: special teams disasters, missed tackles, and an inability to do anything on our half of the field.
But a game that could've turned into another 59-20 didn't. That's thanks in large part to our defense, who played exceptionally well after the first drive. A.J. Johnson had a mental mistake that turned into an 83 yard Chris Rainey touchdown, but other than that freshman bust, the Vols slowed the Gators down. It was the sort of effort I thought would give us enough to win on offense, but again, that all changed without Hunter.
But Tennessee has been excellent in short yardage situations, didn't get beat over the top (though I'm not really sure Florida tried), refused to break when facing terrible field position situations in the first half, and still has plenty of room to grow. We've seen young Tennessee defenses improve over the course of a year before, and we can see it again - there's reason to feel optimistic about this defense's future.
Overall, it's about what we thought coming into the year. Florida is still more talented. The Gators executed on both sides of the ball enough to win the game, to their credit. Tennessee showed more maturity this time around, battling back from true adversity with Hunter and staying in the game the way they didn't against good teams last year.
These Vols, on paper, will still be good enough to entertain beating Georgia in Knoxville, and will still be good enough to entertain shootouts with the likes of Arkansas and South Carolina. But if we don't find some reason to make defenses at least blink at a play action fake, LSU and Alabama will bury us alive.
At the end of the day, it's the Gators - they win their seventh straight in the series, and they do so by obliterating Tennessee's run game for the seventh straight year. We've seen Tennessee look horrible in the ground game against Florida before, but come back with decent efforts later. We'll need it less this season than in other years. But can Tennessee establish anything positive in the run game against the other SEC teams they'll face? We'll see.
So we go to an off week in search of new threats in the passing game, greater discipline on defense, and anything that might resemble a positive running play. The sooner we find them, the sooner the Vols can grow into the team we all hoped they could be.
But we're not there yet. This day belonged to the Gators, yet again.
338 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Well, we arent out of the East race yet.
South Carolina is gonna lose eventually, UGA is 1-2, Florida wont survive their gauntlet schedule, Kentucky is … Kentucky, and Vandy probably wont beat the SEC big boys. Give credit to the Vols for not laying down when it was 30 to 7 … but a win would have been great.
Pray for Hunter. Tough loss if he’s done for the year.
Go Vols.
"You give Peyton Manning a better gm, coach, owner and he goes down as the greatest person to ever live." - coltsfan1888
by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Sep 17, 2011 8:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
we won't survive our gauntlet schedule either
really hope everybody’s wrong about Hunter’s knee. HUGE blow
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 17, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh just trying to find a silver lining
Been used to it for the past 7 years.
Hunter gone means our offense takes a massive blow …
"You give Peyton Manning a better gm, coach, owner and he goes down as the greatest person to ever live." - coltsfan1888
by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Sep 17, 2011 8:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Like I said after Joel's article
pretty much all this
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 17, 2011 8:21 PM EDT reply actions
Listening to Dooley live in the postgame
he talks about the biggest issue losing Hunter being going vertical down the field – obviously there’s nobody that can jump up and get one like Hunter (or Denarius), but who becomes that guy? Is it Zach Rogers, he of deceptive speed?
There were several throws to Zach
that he just missed catching that Hunter likely would have come down with
I dont think "losing all composure" when Hunter goes down is acceptable.
Hunter going down shouldnt play a part in special teams or lack of tackling. It also shouldnt force TN into multiple personal foul penalties. I think losing Hunter should cause the offense to be much less effective, but any bleed over into other aspects of the game is lack of discipline. I agree that TN lost all composure when Hunter went down but just not that its acceptable. Hunter couldve stayed in the game and I still think its unreasonable to think its winable with 0 yards rushing, special teams breakdowns and multiple penalties. It mightve been a closer game but probably still a loss imo.
by cerebralfish on Sep 18, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The worst thing for me
was being excited all week about seeing what UT’s offense could do and having those hopes dashed at the beginning of our first drive
and it may be a full year before we really see it
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 17, 2011 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Dat wud be sum dohwn da bayou swamp foke...
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
Maybe I can find some who like the Green Wave instead of LSU. Man, my wife was so not speaking to me that night.
Yes. My wife would be one of those folks. I'll get her to rig voodoos of Richt, Saban, Miles and Spurrier...
then stick them in the freezer.
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
Memphis leads Peay 10-0 at the half!
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 17, 2011 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
There was a picture of their crowd before kickoff
first thing that made me laugh post game
by Will Shelton on Sep 17, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Dooley in closing his postgame radio show:
“If we throw as much as we threw today, we’re not going to win the game.”
We. Have. To. Run. The. Football. To. Win. In. The. SEC.
Cannot believe I thought differently after a week. Against Cincinnati.
Holdin' it down on enemy grounds.
Anti-Snail on offense; Give me a slobberknocker, or give me death!
Eh...
Still don’t entirely follow the logic on that… yeah it’s nice, but points are points and if you can pass it without needing the threat of rushing it shouldn’t matter.
If there's zero threat of rushing it
LSU and Alabama will do terrible things to us. They might anyway, who knows, but there’s going to come a point against good/great defenses when you have to have some form of run game.
by Will Shelton on Sep 17, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what I meant...
IF you can pass it without the threat then it doesn’t matter. And with Hunter/Rogers we could conceivable do that. Without Hunter, we can’t do that… but I still expect to beat South Carolina, UGA, Arkansas, and possibly LSU
that's an awful rosy picture
if we can take one of those four, I won’t be mad. If we can take two, I’ll be quite happy.
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 17, 2011 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel better about 8-4 than I did before the game.
There’s something there, even without Hunter. (With Hunter, I’m thinking 9-3.) But we have something there.
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Sep 17, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
without Hunter, I'm thinking 7-5 with a shot at 8-4
with Hunter, 9-3 is on the table
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 17, 2011 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
So you think
9-3 was possible with zero rushing attack?
by cerebralfish on Sep 18, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
They do have better secondaries than Florida.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean..
We can’t count on 5 PI calls a week?
For shame!
"There's not going to be any pity party and I'’ll make sure of that." - Pat Summitt
to be fair
without those PIs, we’re making a lot more catches. But we will face tougher secondaries. Fortunately, apart from Alabama and LSU, they’re paired with weaker front sevens.
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 17, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
FWIW, I think this was a Clattenburg special.
At least in the first half, the refs were committed to making themselves known. The second half seemed moderately better called, but my standards might’ve been miniscule by that point.
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Sep 17, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Careful.
Absent one of your two big threats, you need some kind of second threat. That might be a run game, but it might be something else, too. It doesn’t necessarily need to be a run game.
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Sep 17, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
You either need one transcendent athlete at QB (a la Tebow and Newton) or a good 1-2 punch of future NFL’ers (South Carolina in 2010 and Alabama in 2009).
That, or a coach that eschews operating on our planet (Mr. Miles…)
"There's not going to be any pity party and I'’ll make sure of that." - Pat Summitt
I think you need an average run game
at least to have true success at a high level in college football. If TN finds a 2nd WR instead of a run game, they still lose games but the games will be more tight. If they get a little run game going, 2nd, 3rd and even 4th options appear at wide-out. Has anyone ever had success in the SEC or anywhere in the NCAA without a run game?
by cerebralfish on Sep 18, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Are we here for evening games?
If so…
FSU’s kicker’s golden shoes are … fabulous.
And he has a heck of a range.
The two plays by E.J. Manuel on that drive were incredible
even if the second one was called back for a penalty
by Will Shelton on Sep 17, 2011 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Missed it all.
Just turned it on in time for the sack and kick.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He juked half of their defense on a 40 yard scramble to get in range
then got away from two guys and throw a 25 yard strike to the end zone on the run…but was called back for holding
by Will Shelton on Sep 17, 2011 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
O/T
Just realized that if FSU joins the SEC, Florida would have to actually find a decent OOC team to schedule.
No they wont.
If you play in the SEC you dont have to schedule anybody good out of conference and its actually stupid if you do. Alabama schedules perfectly.
by cerebralfish on Sep 18, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Tennessee needs good OOC for exposure for recruiting purposes.
All those PAC games over the years have helped them bring in California players. Since Tennessee is one of the few schools who tries to be a major player while not situated in a high-profile recruiting state, it needs that kind of help.
by David Hooper on Sep 18, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
You said UF would have to find a decent OOC team to schedule.
As far as recruiting goes with TN you might be right but I would say Kiffin had alot to do with the california kids? I think scheduling cupackes OOC when youre in the SEC is more advantagious as recruits like wins. TN has rarely won one of these tough OOC games so I dont know how much recruits are attracted when youre losing those games. Off the top of my head I know Oregon, Cal, and UCLA have all beat TN in the past few years.
by cerebralfish on Sep 18, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
We've had West Coast kids since way before Kiffin
Erik Ainge was from Oregon. Arian Foster was from San Diego.
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 18, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you get those west coast kids
by scheduling and losing to west coast teams is the question? Tennessee probably landed them by selling early PT in the SEC. I think TN would benefit more by playing a softer OOC and getting wins. They get plenty of exposure playing in the SEC. In this day in age with all of the multimedia tools available, all the recruits know all the teams.
by cerebralfish on Sep 18, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
we've gotten plenty of wins over West Coast teams
it’s just that they haven’t been in the last five years (when the program has been going through rough times). We did destroy Cal in ‘06 and had some great games with UCLA in the 90s. Tennessee gets back to where we should be, and we’ll beat them
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 18, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
I was just disagreeing with Hooper that TN needs to schedule these tough OOC games to help with recruiting. I think they should sub out the tough OOC for a sure win as I think wins attract recruits. SEC schedule is hard enough. Alabama schedules perfect OOC and TN should do the same imo.
by cerebralfish on Sep 18, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Alabama played Penn State and has Michigan coming up
I’d be okay with that sort of sched.
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 18, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I forgot they did have some OOC competition this year.
I’m pretty sure in the past few years they didnt schedule anybody OOC but cupcakes did they?
by cerebralfish on Sep 19, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I see the problem.
I didn’t mean that FSU wasn’t decent. The emphasis was supposed to be on find. Sorry about that. I wasn’t digging at your Seminoles.
by David Hooper on Sep 18, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I know you werent taking shots
at the noles. I understood what you were saying, that with FSU in conference UF would need to replace them with another solid OOC team.
by cerebralfish on Sep 18, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
cool.
I’m also assuming that somehow there will still be 4 OOC games with these new larger conferences. I suspect they’ll find a way to bump up to 14 games and have a 10/4 split But if there are fewer than 4 OOC games, we can all kiss these interesting OOC matchups goodbye.
by David Hooper on Sep 18, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the ACC is going to 16 teams.
I love watching the great OOC matchups but they just arent good for conference titles which are the most important. I mean FSU just played an awesome OOC game vs OU. What do they get? An injured starting QB, 2 WRs, and a TE going into their conference schedule next week at Clemson. They are fixing their schedule in the future and dumping this extra tough OOC game because running the table in the ACC plus a win over UF is a guaranteed title appearance. No need to play OU and the like. Its sad to say but its the strategy nowadays if you want to win the big one.
by cerebralfish on Sep 18, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
..."which all signs point to being one that will sideline him for a long time."...
I don’t know, man. Did you see him walking off the field afdter the game? He was basically carrying the crutches. He had no weight whatsoever on them. I don’t think it’s going to be too bad. I certainly hope not. Not just for the team, but, as a player who injured himself after the Jamboree and had to quit for life, for HIM. But, also for the team. But mostly for him.
GBO!!!
That would be fantastic
I’m going more by Dooley’s tone and quotes in the postgame – between the lines, they all say out for the year. When he says, “We’ll find out for 100% sure on Monday”, it sounds to me like they’re 90% sure right now.
by Will Shelton on Sep 17, 2011 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
So we'll have him in time for the Cap One bowl?
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Please
By the time we actually play Georgia, Florida will have already lost twice to Alabama and LSU. We’re still going to win the National Championship as the latest one loss SEC Champion.
/canalwaysbethatguy
by Will Shelton on Sep 17, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I should have included the winkie.
Thought you’d pick up on it. ;-)
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I do think the struggling offenses we've seen so much of recently
may make us overreact about how much we’re going to struggle without Hunter. We had Clawfense, then Crompton, then Simms and were so limited against good teams. And after last week, it was like we could finally expect our offense to do great things again.
And now that gets taken away with Hunter…I hope we can still expect our offense to do good things. We’ll find out a lot about Bray.
we found out a lot against Bray today
the D sold out against the pass, pressure in his face all day, and he completed 55% for three TDs and one pick until garbage time while missing his best WR.
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 17, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, and so there's the belief that we can be even better
with more prep time for the other receivers. I still think Bray can be the guy that makes good receivers great…but again, how much can he do if there’s no threat of a run game? Even Manning had that, in a big way.
by Will Shelton on Sep 17, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
At what time will questions arise about Hiestand?
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Volnation...
he’s the resident pot stirrer. Said Bruce Pearl needed to be fired for years, and then when he was he said they shouldn’t have fired him. Says our new baseball coach is horrific, and Dooley wouldn’t deserve a job as a janitor.
Pass protect was pretty fair
especially from the tackles…but there’s just no push from a bunch of big bodies, and not just this week. And the James Stone stuff has to change or he can’t play.
by Will Shelton on Sep 17, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
That's basically it.
Run blocking is nonexistent by any definition, and the shotgun snapping is deficient. That’s a lot of issues. I don’t know nearly enough to know when criticism is due, but I can see it coming.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
A friend of mine who's a Bears fan laughed at me when we hired him
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
by birdjam on Sep 18, 2011 9:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A near touchdown for FSU
has turned into a scary injury for the FSU receiver – motionless in the end zone
FIU is ready to be ranked, thank you very much
17-7 against UCF with two minutes left
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 17, 2011 9:00 PM EDT reply actions
*I* wanted to rank them last week (I think).
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Sep 17, 2011 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I said they had a proving ground this week, and I'd probably lobby for them
they’ve proven, and I will
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 17, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You won't have to.
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Sep 17, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
figured I might not
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 17, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
FWIW, BC might just be bad.
But still, 3-0 at this point likely gets you in the rankings.
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Sep 17, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
South Carolina is going to pull out the win against Navy, but it's a close one.
24-21 and they just got the clinching first down with ~45 seconds left.
..."there's reason to feel optimistic about this defense's future."
Typo or what? Seems like this statement contradicts what you said previously. Clarification?
GBO!!!
I thought our defense was strong after the first drive
and the one bust against Rainey, which was a freshman mistake. If I gave the impression anywhere that I thought otherwise about the defense specifically, it was not intentional.
by Will Shelton on Sep 17, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
they tore up our linebackers on the opening drive as well
which accounts for their only two TD drives of more than 40 yards
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 17, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of Rainey/Demps,
as much as Tennessee fans would hate to admit it, we’ll be happy to see them leave.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't hate to admit it...
I’m looking forward to playing a Florida team without those freaking gnatbacks
I credit Weis for the pre-planning.
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Sep 17, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
His Notre Dame experience humbled him a touch.
He’s always known how to use his resources, but he’s kept things relatively simple for the Gators and really leans on Rainey/Demps and their strengths. None of that outscheming his own team stuff.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He called two screens all game, both on the first drive.
He knew we’d come after them.
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Sep 17, 2011 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
That'll be interesting to see in a couple weeks
Even today, look at the receptions: Rainey 2 for 104, Demps 4 for 37, Burton 4 for 38. All WRs combined: 4 for 34. Bama’s defense won’t play that game.
by Will Shelton on Sep 17, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, it's 3 for 27.
Christian’s a TE.
/shoots lifeless downfield passing game in the face
by Andy Hutchins on Sep 17, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Weis is saving it?
Tough going against Bama’s defense for everyone in this league no matter what we run
by Will Shelton on Sep 17, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
eh...
Bama smoked UF last year… I expect them to do the same this year, Brantley doesn’t fare well under a heavy rush.
My bad.....
I actually read it wrong…..TWICE. I thought it read “…..NO reason to feel optipmistic…..” OOPS!! lmao I DEFINATELY agree with what you said.
GBO!!!
75% of our defensive troubles were directly attributable to playing freshman linebackers
you basically have, after the first drive, a missed assignment and four short fields (yielding 13 points). 6 more points on sustained drives
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 17, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Anytime your defense holds Florida to <350 yards...
You have a good defense… We don’t give up that one busted Rainey play and the stats look fantastic
and if we actually tackle on the first hit...
Florida has less than 200 yards. So many yards after broken tackles by our LBs
But Demps and Rainey are quick as a hiccup....
and as hard to hold onto as a greased snail. Hard to get that to the ground.
GBO!!!
A bit of both.
Our defense needs to do a better job of tackling. That carries forward from the previous games.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, Houston is getting hammered by LT
27-7. So much for everyone’s lock of the week
Heel for school, Vol for life!
Bolts, Preds, Canes (childhood team, home state team, hometown team). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity!
by Incipient_Senescence on Sep 17, 2011 9:10 PM EDT reply actions
lol...
Indiana State 34
Western Kentucky 9
This is the same WKU team that should have beaten Kentucky
In my ideal world, we'd have Buffalo next week and the bye week after them.
But this isn’t a bad alternative.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
In my ideal world
we play North Carolina next week
by Will Shelton on Sep 17, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Buffalo should be good for confidence and target practice
But there’s nothing we can do to Buffalo that will make me feel really great about us. That’ll come against Georgia.
by Will Shelton on Sep 17, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Future opponent scores...
Ball State 21 – Buffalo 19 4Q
Georgia 59 – Coastal Carolina 0
LSU 19 – Mississippi State 6
Alabama 20 – North Texas 0 3Q
South Carolina 24 – Navy 21
MTSU BYE
Arkansas 24 – Troy 7 HT
Vanderbilt 30 – Ole Miss 7
Louisville 17 – Kentucky 10 3Q
You missed a spot.
North Carolina 28 – Virginia 17
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Sep 17, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Instead of a bye week,
can we just call this week North Carolina week?
Same difference.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
We can do what Ohio State did after the 98 NC game...
and have Kesling call play by play on a NCAA 12 PS3 game
Why?
It’s not like they were left out. At least I didn’t think so.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
You can always tell which plays were designed
during a late night coaches’ beer session.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
and Louisville gets a WR open in the endzone...
and he drops it like he was a 4 year old learning to catch.
Florida State is living out our game
wide receiver knocked out with injury, offense has a great quarterback but can’t find anything else, defense bends but doesn’t break but may ultimately get buried under an avalanche of field goals
This helps confirm my theory..
that there is an Aztec Sacrificial pit in Gainesville to the football gods.
Actually 3 of their top 4 receivers were knocked out
in Willie Haulstead(#2 WR) before the game, Kenny Shaw, Bert Reed(gimpy coming into the game and then left the game) and their star freshman TE Nick O’leary went out too. Not to mention bringing in their RS freshman QB in the 3rd quarter. They looked really really good considering. The defense is legit.
by cerebralfish on Sep 18, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Brent Venables
Is awesome. Dude I used to work with played with him at KState and has a ton of evidence detailing his insanity.
Best DC in college football.
by GhostDance on Sep 17, 2011 9:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Not a great game...
Florida fan here, I’ll leave if it’s too soon to chat, but ugh what an ugly game. I was underwhelmed with every unit except UTs defense, which I though was better than I expected. It’s hard to know how good UT would’ve been with Hunter, but they would have certainly been better. The Florida secondary was horrendous, which is probably why I was also underwhelmed with Bray. He threw two picks, but could’ve easily thrown many more. Rainey was Florida’s savior, and I don’t have much confidence that that formula will continue to work. Obviously thrilled with a win, but really wished for a better game by both teams. Hopefully Hunter’s OK, and makes it back quickly. As much as I didn’t want to see it, I did want to see that trio go at it…
contributing author - Alligator Army
by Cardsfan25 on Sep 17, 2011 9:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm actually ok with this one...
felt a lot better than anything since 2006.
I actually thought Bray played a pretty good game, but started forcing things when we fell behind badly in the 2H. I was pretty happy with his 288 yards.
yardage totals were nice, and he hit those middle throws really well.
You’re right about him forcing it a bit in the second half. By that point, I couldn’t figure out why UT didn’t just abandon the run altogether, and chuck it. They were getting nothing on the ground and UFs secondary was either interfering or dropping balls….just throw it
contributing author - Alligator Army
Not too soon.
We like to think we’re realistic for the most part.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah I know you do
I have Vol grads as family, so I’m pretty used to the Vols. It was nice for this game to be so anticipated, like the old days. I was extremely worried about Hunter, and Rogers. Hell of a tandem. Next year should be reallllly interesting.
contributing author - Alligator Army
Rec'd for clarity and sincerity.
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
Nah, you're fine.
Hunter getting injured really destroyed all our game plan nearly out of the gate. That made the rest of the game plan difficult – when you rely on two targets and not much of a running game, it’s difficult to deal with it when you have one target. Absent a running game, Bray did as well as could be expected.
The hope now is that we see Hunter again this year.
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Sep 17, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Not yet.
I’m not optimistic. That ain’t supposed to bend like that.
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Sep 17, 2011 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
no that looked painful
Did you see Shaw in the FSU game? That was tough to watch…glad he’s moving his extremities.
contributing author - Alligator Army
Yeah, I saw that.
The people I’m watching with were happy to see that. (I’m still unclear why they threw the flag; it seemed a very hard, but clean hit.)
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Sep 17, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
But that’s how it works, so oh well.
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Sep 17, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm rooting for Okla big time
I can’t stand the thought of FSU being a legitimate title contender
contributing author - Alligator Army
This.
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Sep 17, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm waiting for them to lose
and then talk about the fact that they didn’t get killed shows they’re back. I’m so sick of hearing them say they’re back. Either win on the field and prove it, or shut up.
contributing author - Alligator Army
Too soon!
Just kidding. Bray most definitely could have thrown a few more picks.
And in the immortal words of Cedric the Entertainer, your secondary “play too much”.
- for you guys is a good ball player.
by GhostDance on Sep 17, 2011 9:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
*should read #3 (number three)
by GhostDance on Sep 17, 2011 9:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Jelani?
The LB? I love that kid, but get some hands already. Hand transplants for the entire defense this week. Give them a week to heal, and then Alabama….oh brother, not looking forward to that
contributing author - Alligator Army
Gotta think Florida is the favorite in the East now...
Something is wrong with Garcia, and Georgia is basically us minus the WRs
Something can be wrong with Garcia and South Carolina is still dangerous.
I still give them the edge, but it’s UF-USC for the SEC East gold at this point.
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Sep 17, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Are those stats updated?
I think there’s more of an issue with the D than the passing offense.
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Sep 17, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
If you're looking at classic SEC teams, they just need their D to shape up.
I think they’re pretty close, FWIW. But it’ll be them or UF.
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Sep 17, 2011 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
that's funny
maybe they can just borrow some from GT right up the street.
contributing author - Alligator Army
And their pass defense will be inflated after playing Navy...
it was #92… but Navy only had 61 yards on 5 completions
something seems wrong with their D
which is strange because they didn’t lose much, and Clowney looks for real
contributing author - Alligator Army
is that right?
Wow, that is terrible. Honestly, USC is just not a team I’m accustomed to being afraid of, so it’s tough to see them and think anything but win. That being said, last years game against them killed a part of my soul, and I’m still recovering.
contributing author - Alligator Army
meh. maybe
I keep waiting to feel really good about this team, and they keep giving me reasons not too. At this point we expect to beat UGA, but I think Lattimore may run all over us Even if Florida can beat those teams, don’t forget that we draw Bama, and LSU back to back followed by Auburn. It’s going to be tough to avoid 3 SEC losses this year
contributing author - Alligator Army
he's amazing
without him, we lose that game. Hell even with him, we deserved to lose it…
contributing author - Alligator Army
Louisville and Kentucky...
it’s like watching two armless men fight with baseball bats
by Caban on Sep 17, 2011 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The ACC wants to expand to 16 teams?
Cool. Y’all want Kentucky?
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
No way...
I want at least a couple of automatic wins… and I want to see how far we can take this streak.
Ask UF about scheduling an ACC team for a constant OOC game.
You can do it.
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Sep 17, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not seriously in support of removing any traditional SEC teams...
that includes Vandy. Now Arkansas I could honestly care less about.
The Sky is crying....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI9TS4O5Ww4
Got dem oranges (sic) working bad tonight….
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
Oklahoma's defense is apparently making it their mission to destroy every FSU receiver
this one got up, but man, another huge hit
and now E.J. Manuel is banged up
shoulder
by Will Shelton on Sep 17, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
and we would all love it if he were still here
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
by birdjam on Sep 17, 2011 10:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's quite possible.
Everybody forgives their own guy of a lot of sin, so long as the wins come along. And for the short while he was here, it looked like Tennessee was on track for more wins.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I would think his performance at USC
would allow you guys to realize that him leaving was a good thing all around
contributing author - Alligator Army
Oh, yeah. We're quite happy he's gone.
But if you go back through threads here and at places like Volnation, you’ll see a lot of support for him up to the second his departure was announced.
If he had stayed, the goodwill would have been there for at least a while longer. We don’t know how much longer, but at least the offseason. (Of course, the NCAA violation issues may have soured the fans on him by now anyhow.)
But nobody regrets his departure around here for any reason.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I understood the support for him when he was Knoxville
I of course didn’t care for him, but I can understand the desire to believe in your coaching staff. We had Ron Zook, and I was optimistic about him at one point.
contributing author - Alligator Army
I have no idea how long it would have taken for UT fans to turn on Kiffin.
It seems it would have happened eventually, but I hesitate to say it would have been quick. That risks being a little too self-righteous about the matter.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
well a lot of ya'll didn't like him from day one
My Dad was one of those Vols. He never liked Kiffen, and thought he was a disaster waiting to happen.
contributing author - Alligator Army
Good on him.
A lot more of us should have not liked him early on.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
he was of the thought that
UT was too good of a program to hire a guy like him. Kiffen’s comments just made it worse in his eyes. He likes his coaches “SEC style”, which he didn’t believe Kiffen displayed at all. My brother on the other hand was one of the Vols that loved him, and would talk about how he was keeping UT in the news, and any attention is good attention….kind of funny to have that dichotomy within my own family.
contributing author - Alligator Army
I bet reunions are fun. ;-)
Pretty cool, though. And no, Kiffin wasn’t SEC style. Even we understood that.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
well, with me a Gator
I can usually get them to agree on something.
contributing author - Alligator Army
you guys will appreciate this
My brother and I were both raised Vols. We also both attended the University of Florida. My brother never changed his allegiance. He still roots for UT, and hates Florida, even though there is a UF degree on his wall.
contributing author - Alligator Army
See, I don't see a conflict there.
I don’t see how team loyalty would mandate choice of college attendance. You both got good educations in your fields, I would assume.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
team loyalty obviously didn't mandate college choice
or we would’ve bother gone to UT. Living in Florida, we both received the scholarship that Florida offers for in state schools. Dad didn’t give us a choice. Are you saying that you think it’s normal that he maintained his allegiance to UT?
contributing author - Alligator Army
It's not normal, no.
But I don’t see a problem with it. Then again, I grew up in the Mountain Time Zone and didn’t have this cultural obsession with college football surrounding me.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I've got a neice on scholarship there now that is a huge Vol fan.
Of course I imagine it’s not as bad for a striking young lady.
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
probably not
though my brother certainly didn’t make it easy on himself. He actually flaunted his Volness….I can’t believe he never got beat up. That would probably be the only thing that would make me not jump in on his behalf…kidding of course
contributing author - Alligator Army
Then again, neither is Chaney.
And here I am, fighting the Good Fight.
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Sep 17, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
what do you guys think of Wilcox?
I like him, but maybe I’m still kind of buying that whole Boise State guru thing. Has he actually showed anything yet?
contributing author - Alligator Army
Other than today?
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Sep 17, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It's tough.
We’re still short of full personnel; making determinations of schemes when you just want to get enough guys on the field is hard. But I trust him for now.
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Sep 17, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven't had a problem yet.
The players speak highly of him. My bigger concern is how transition has hurt recruiting on our offensive and defensive lines. On defense, Monte liked small, nimble guys and we seem to be trying to get bigger under Wilcox.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Which tells me we want gap control, not penetration.
That reminds me a bit of what my perception of Chavis’ D was – LBs do a heck of a lot.
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Sep 17, 2011 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Boise's D-line always surprised people
in how big and strong they were for a midmajor. That’s just what they did. The difference is that Wilcox had the luxury of beefin up his freshmen and sophomores and playing them as juniors and seniors. He had the rotation going. Here, not so much.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I always though Chavis was a hell of a D coordinator
I remember how excited UT fans were to get Monte, and rightly so, but I think what was lost in all of that was how good Chavis was for years….and now he’s at LSU which I find upsetting
contributing author - Alligator Army
We knew we were going to miss Chavis.
Nobody wanted to see him go. In 2008, that defense was absolutely terrific and absolutely wasted on the Year of Clawson.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I find it interesting how larger lines are coming back
even though passing and spread offenses are en vogue.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Muschamp's D at Auburn
probably played Florida better than any team I can remember during the Mullen high powered offenses. They were incredibly gap sounds, and that spread couldn’t do anything against them
contributing author - Alligator Army
Hit me with a....
little love for Lane
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
O/T
Pitt and Syracuse are evidently going to the ACC. Does that imply that WVU could be headed to the SEC?
I've been trying to figure out who 16 is
if we go A&M, Mizzou, West Virginia. The ACC appears to have locked up its current roster with their play.
by Will Shelton on Sep 17, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the SEC will get one out of the ACC yet.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
it will still make an ACC team more money to come to the SEC, as opposed to staying in the new look ACC, but man what a basketball conference huh?
Duke
UNC
Wake
Syracuse
Pitt
Maryland
contributing author - Alligator Army
Yeah...
but beware the interference of state governments since these are all public universities… except Duke and Wake who we don’t want
I still think FSU would be the first choice.
With Miami effectively a no-show over the next few years, that would strip every other major conference of a presence in Florida.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
FSU brings little incremental value
and Florida would say “hell no”.
Is a unanimous vote required?
If FSU were to ask, I think the SEC would vote them in. Florida would probably give the requisite approval for the appearance of unanimous consensus, but I doubt they’d have enough sway to block FSU entirely.
And I seriously doubt that theoretical gentleman’s agreement was ever real.
by David Hooper on Sep 18, 2011 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably.
Despite my above comment. This is more likely, even if FSU is more preferable.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually prefer WVU to VT...
Virginia Tech and WVU make comparable money, and WVU is good at things other than football.
WVU appears likely to happen anyhow.
It’s more a question of who team #16 is.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
preferable?
Do you really want to add them to your schedule every year?
contributing author - Alligator Army
Preferable for the conference.
They’d bring a lot of national television time.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah I get it
I’ve had this discussion over at Tomahawk Talk….they think that FSU is clearly a better draw, and while I agree, I’m not convinced that they bring more money than VT and their new market
contributing author - Alligator Army
Truthfully...
VT did make more money than FSU in the last figures I saw, but they are from 2008. Betting those numbers improved significantly if they do well.
well
the discussion for me comes down to this…FSU obviously brings more eyeballs to the TV on a national scale. Those eyeballs allow for an increase in add revenue. Does that increase in add revenue from higher national ratings lead to a larger gain than Virginia Tech brining a new market (DC), though not increasing the national viewership of the conference?
contributing author - Alligator Army
I agree
but over there, they don’t seem to think it is. They believe that the answer is clearly in favor of FSU, which isn’t that surprising.
contributing author - Alligator Army
To me, the standout selling point for FSU is the lockout of Florida.
Without them, no big conf. has any real presence in either Florida or Georgia. I mean, the ACC would have a crippled Miami, GaTech, and Clemson as the only schools in a huge swath of talent-rich areas for a lot of sports.
On the flipside, VTech adds a footprint in Virginia, which also helps.
I like VTech as an addition and I think they’d rapidly become a huge rival for Tennessee.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
But what about the state of Miami?
/Schnelly’d
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Sep 17, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
ugh
the SEC wants nothing to do with Miami. Miami is one of two cities that I never want to live in….ever
contributing author - Alligator Army
no worries
Miami is facing massive sanctions as exactly the wrong time for conference realignment.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be kind of neat if there was some sort of Appalachian region or pod within the SEC with UT/WVU/UK/VPI
by GhostDance on Sep 17, 2011 10:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Kentucky driving a lot or just settling for outside jumpers and threes?
…wait…are you watching them play football???
by GhostDance on Sep 17, 2011 10:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that hypothetical on the second half UT-UF?
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
...was a winner.
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
Sorry. was a bust. they won the second half by one...
to the disdain of the mob. Stoned for BLSAPHEMY…. (still killing me hee, hee)
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
Haven’t really been on here today, and forgive me if it’s OFN…but did anybody else notice that Urban Meyer was calling every play of the Auburn/Clemson game? It was like he was on the headsets with coaches or something.
by GhostDance on Sep 17, 2011 10:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yes
I want to see him try that with a team that doesn’t run something spreadesque, but it was impressive either way
by Will Shelton on Sep 17, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you see him in the offseason when ESPN went to Eugene?
Him talking with Chip Kelly was fun to watch
contributing author - Alligator Army
Yes…and I noticed a difference. Urban Meyer gives proper dues to schemes that he has borrowed from. Chip Kelly acts like he invented uptempo spread.
Still dislike both, of course, just one less than the other.
by GhostDance on Sep 17, 2011 10:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Kelly did look a bit confused by the conversation...
almost kind of like “Am I supposed to be agreeing with this guy?”
contributing author - Alligator Army
I missed that, but I'm not surprised.
They’re offensive cousins.
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Sep 17, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a difference between bad offense and good defense. This FSU/Oklahoma game is some fantastic defense.
Love it.
by GhostDance on Sep 17, 2011 10:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Two false starts
followed by a shankety shank that gives FSU the ball inside the OU 40
by Will Shelton on Sep 17, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a tribute.
I didn’t catch the story, but they’re rotating it through the team.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Think he is paying homage to Austin Box, former LB at OU who died in the Spring.
They are rotating the number…I think…?
by GhostDance on Sep 17, 2011 10:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You’re all over that game, Broseph.
by GhostDance on Sep 17, 2011 10:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And Troy pulls a stupid...
Down 17 they go for a 4th and 6 from the 8… You kick the FG there because either way its a 2 possession game.
Brutal TFL.
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
What's the record for number of times a crowd makes that
“OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH” sound on a big hit? Good grief.
I’m a sucker for that. Must admit.
by GhostDance on Sep 17, 2011 11:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
FSU's right DE must have some kind of read on the center.
He’s always the first up out of his stance, on either side of the line.
was really hoping for a boring game
there are A TON of high profiled recruits at this game, and regardless of the outcome, they will love that atmosphere. Kind of ruins that little dig about them not filling up their stadium.
contributing author - Alligator Army
All right guys, I'm out
been nice chatting. Good luck the rest of the season, and I hope Hunter makes it back quickly.
contributing author - Alligator Army
Thanks for stopping by. Good luck the rest of the way....
/ewwwwww! ;- )
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
Announcer just said Arkansas hasn't been 3-0 in 22 years...
They were undefeated when we played them in 1998… nice job researchers.
Gotta feeling they'll put a few pounds on him down there in Tallahasee.
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
Chris and I were talking about this earlier
Buffalo gave up 231 on the ground to Pitt and 174 today. It should be there for us to feel good about it in two weeks if we want it.
by Will Shelton on Sep 17, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a mighty 8-8 in the picks today
soon to be 8-9 when Oklahoma wins. From 5th place to 46th and falling.
And you even won the Wyoming pick, right?
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
Lost Kentucky, Tennessee, Pittsburgh like a lot of people. But also went with Auburn, Michigan State, Ohio State, Virginia on the road.
by Will Shelton on Sep 17, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I got a little lucky.
My worst was Auburn at 13 (and BGSU at 11, which I don’t mind). Other than that, I lost numbers 1, 2, 3, and 9. Nothing big.
by David Hooper on Sep 17, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
bwahaha...
Oklahoma State and Tulsa are in a weather delay.
Game will kickoff no earlier than midnight.
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on Rocky Top Talk
Related FanShots on Rocky Top Talk
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recent FanPosts
SHOP THE ROCKY TOP TALK STORE
Animated Drive Charts
RTT Classics
