Randy Shannon to Tennessee?
by Will Shelton on Jan 2, 2012 10:03 PM EST
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PrintI think the following sentence is a good representation of where we're at right now:
According to Michael Palardy's twitter feed - and yes, that's Tennessee's kicker - the Vols have hired former Miami head coach Randy Shannon to replace Justin Wilcox as defensive coordinator.
If this is true - and that's still an if at this point - most Tennessee fans will step off today's twelve hour roller coaster feeling better than when they started. That's not a knock on Wilcox's coaching ability, but to get Shannon is a huge move for Derek Dooley and the Vols. Shannon was the defensive coordinator at Miami in the early part of the last decade, including the 2001 team that is on the short list of the best college football teams of the last thirty years. He then took over for Larry Coker as head coach from 2007-2010.
Shannon is also a huge get for recruiting, and with Peter Sirmon's departure the Vols have an additional opening to fill on the defensive side of the ball (plus another opening with Eric Russell's departure). Shannon could bring some firepower with him.
But for now this post has a question mark at the top, because, well, it's a kicker's twitter feed. We'll see.
But I think this, if true, would be a move almost all of us would love.
Derek Dooley will speak to the media at 10 AM ET on Tuesday. Whatever will we talk about?
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Palardy
I question Palardy’s accuracy. #shanksatweet
by raynoch46 on Jan 2, 2012 10:06 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
He was the number one tweeter in the nation in high school
Surely that will translate smoothly
by Will Shelton on Jan 2, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
gotcha covered
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 2, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
According to some sites
I rated him #3, maybe 2…
"We've got weapons, we've still got weapons... That's terrible, I apologize."
- Bruce Pearl
Shannon
About the only thing that could turn around all the negative publicity.
thanks
but with all that’s happened the last few years in Tennessee, we’ll hold off until it’s officially official
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 2, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
FWIW Palardy's probably gotten chewed out and tweeted
Don’t quote me on it lol. I’m just hoping and praying for the best for my vol nation!
vol nation nothing has been announced yet so please do not quote me on it. i am very sorry for giving wrong impressions to people
just hoping and praying for the best for my vol family!
sweet. mother. of. breadsticks.
yeah, sounds like the team was informed and he didn't realize he wasn't supposed to spread it around
but, of course, nothing officially official
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 2, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
yep.
and he’s deleted the tweet.
sweet. mother. of. breadsticks.
by RockyTopinKY on Jan 2, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
RollerCoaster is RIGHT...
good Lawdy.
2012. You have stressed me out and we’re 2 days in.
sweet. mother. of. breadsticks.
pri. tea. much
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 2, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If it is true, I'm fixin' to replace that question mark with an exclamation point
Good things can still happen in 2012!
LEAP YEAR!!!! FTW
sweet. mother. of. breadsticks.
by RockyTopinKY on Jan 2, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
conditional woo!
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 2, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Why would he say it at all unless it was in the works?
Di we really think a 20 year old kicker would know how gOod a hire Shannon would be?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
by VolsnCards5 on Jan 2, 2012 10:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If - IF - it is Shannon
Michael Barrow’s name is being thrown around the message boards as an assistant. Those around my age and older will remember Barrow from the Oilers/Panthers/Giants, but most importantly, he’s the LB coach and – ding ding ding! – special teams coordinator at Miami. Apparently a good recruiter.
This is the part where I hold my breath and try not to get too excited.
yeah pretty much
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 2, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
So today started out pretty crappy.
But IF this is true, I’m not convinced he’s not an upgrade over Wilcox, as much as I liked Wilcox.
If he can pull together the recruiting class, then this will be a crazy turn of events.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 2, 2012 10:23 PM EST reply actions
his defensive rankings in six years as coordinator at Miami:
6, 7, 2, 28, 4, 7
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 2, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
and those last two years were the years that got Coker fired
very much a Chavis in 2005 and 2008 performance
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 2, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
As a DC...he's legit
The hire would be above reproach.
No homer.
by kidbourbon on Jan 3, 2012 12:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Basilio now reporting it
was fun while it lasted
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 2, 2012 10:57 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
How did I just see this?
Brilliant, sir.
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Jan 3, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
This news definitely excites me.
But the possibility of it being true is as probably as low as Palardy’s kicks
For the record I do think this news has a high chance of being true.
I just wanted to make a Palardy joke.
Brad says Hubbs is still skeptical
please tell me we haven’t been trolled. please. please. please.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 2, 2012 11:15 PM EST reply actions
Swain now saying Steele is gaining traction
oh the life of a Tennessee fan.
lots of reliable people still saying Shannon, but nothing official
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 2, 2012 11:27 PM EST reply actions
Brad found an AP writer from Miami
saying Shannon hasn’t even talked to Tennessee. Oh silly season, how I hate you
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 2, 2012 11:31 PM EST reply actions
What?
Come on, man. I got all excited. Dang Palardy…
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 3, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
I know
I really thought we salvaged things. but it was not to be. or at least not to be yet. back to pleaseplesaeplesaepleaseplease
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 3, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
i certainly don't know...
…one way or another, and I’m not trying to rain on anybody’s parade, but let’s just take a step back and think about this. Wilcox leaves today, and within 10 hours, they have a deal signed, sealed and delivered with a guy who has no connections to the program whatsoever? That just seems AWFULLY fast to me, even if Dooley and Hart had somewhat of a head start. They couldn’t have had TOO much of a head start, because Holt and the U-Dub defensive staff didn’t get the ax until Saturday afternoon.
If it turns out to be true, great. But if not, look at it this way: it would be no more than a one year rental for Shannon’s services, as he’s made it known that he wants to be a HC, not a DC. If his stop at UT was anywhere close to successful, he’d parlay it into a HC position at some mid-level program next year. And if it wasn’t successful, he’d get thrown out with Dooley and the rest of the coaches after the season. Like I said, maybe it turns out to be true. Who knows? IMO, you’d be better off with Kevin Steele.
I don't think a deal is done
have no idea whether one is close.
But I’ll take Shannon over Steele. I think he’s a better coordinator, and I’m really starting to doubt whether the staff lasts another year, so being a rental doesn’t bother me. If he does a good enough job to save Dooley, he’ll have done a good enough job to raise Tennessee’s profile enough to be highly attractive to top coaching talent
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 3, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
Considering the Offseason
And all the different jobs Wilcox has been tied to its not out of the realm of possibility that Dooley already had a replacement in mind and its not beyond the realm that Dooley already interviewed that candidate prior to the announcement that Wilcox was leaving. Just a though there. I am hopeful for Shannon I think this would benefit recruiting and he certainly has credibility as a DC. Contrary to what Michael Irvin says the players don’t make the coach the coach makes the team from a bunch of players. Hence the reason Irvin is a color commentator and not a coach.
Randy Shannon is a solid as a defensive mind.
I dont like him as a HC. He does have some ties to FL and FL recruits which would be good. On the other hand his recruiting classes/rankings as a HC at Miami were smoke and mirrors as he recruited quantity over quality to get the high class rankings. Miami has suffered tremendously due to the recruiting under Shannon. After this year’s seniors graduate(the disappointing #1 2008 class), Miami will have to suffer through at least 2-3 years of terrible talent as these recruits will be into a contributors role. Their 2009, 2010, and 2011 classes are diluted with player’s that would never see the field at most major programs. As a DC “rental” as you put it I think it could be a good move. He does have a good defensive mind, FL ties, and a bigger name than even the HC himself. He was a good on the recruiting trail as a coordinator and a terrible recruiter as a HC.
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by cerebralfish on Jan 3, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Additionally
Derek Dooley may not have given us the record and wins we believe TN should have gotten, I think he has been able to deliver in every other aspect. And I am not excusing the losses but I think he will make the right hire. When he was hired everyone, even me said “Who in the Hell is Derek Dooley?” and yet he salvaged the recruiting classvery well. When there was trouble with Chuck Smith he moves Thompson to the line and Sirmon to LBs and this was a definite improvement. The Baggett leaves and he brings in Jay Graham. NO WAY his presser is to announce his resignation. Will he make it past next year? I don’t really know, BUT I do think he will make the right hire, and I am really hoping this will in fact be Shannon.
Something I have not heard in all of the Randy Shannon rumorpalooza
I know people seem to see him as a “character guy” who was brought in to clean up Miami (and all it cost them was their elite program,) but weren’t a lot of the Nevin Shapiro allegations alleged to have taken place right under his nose? With our own recent NCAA troubles, is that really someone Dooley wants to bring here?
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
As long as he isn't the head coach
I don’t see it becoming an issue
Also
In all the reports I’ve heard on the Miami situation, Shannon was never implicated.
As a result, I don’t believe Shannon to be in any danger of receiving a show-cause. And for our purposes, the show-cause is the only penalty that would present a problem. In other words, the NCAA can’t start levying penalties on Tennessee as a result of Shannon’s involvement in the Miami situation (whatever it may have been) just because Tennessee hires him to be our DC.
That’s just not how penalties work.
A penalty can go with an individual, but the only one that can do that is the dreaded show cause. Because nothing I have read on the Miami situation suggests that Shannon is even remotely in danger of the dreaded show cause, I think it is smooth sailing on that front.
No homer.
by kidbourbon on Jan 3, 2012 10:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was talking more about the general reluctance I would hope we would have to hire someone who was in a situation like that
And not worrying specifically about potential NCAA penalties from it he might bring with him. More of a general worry what it might say about him that all of that was going on while he either a) did nothing about it, or b) had his head in the sand about rampant cheating going on.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
I think the bball coach and Shalala were involved, but
I havent heard much about Shannon although it would be hard to believe he didnt know what was going on. It seems he’s dodged that bullet.
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by cerebralfish on Jan 3, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
That's what I'm saying
He may not have been directly involved (and may escape NCAA penalties) but it seems to me that either he knew what was going on and didn’t stop it or he didn’t know what was going on despite it being so open and obvious around his program. Frankly, either scenario would worry me if I were thinking of hiring him.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
Is this press conference available any where?
I’m following Rucker’s and Vol_Football’s tweets, but that’s probably leaving stuff out. Thus far, I see nothing to suggest there are any big announcements coming.
I like Tennessee and Vanderbilt. There aren't many like me, and they're probably better off for it.
Randy Shannon
I am "Cane fan….Shannon is a good coach. He did more with less his last 2 years as DC under Coker. His defense kept them in games. He had 1 down year (28th) as DC when a lot of talent left and he had a young D, but he built it back up. He has put a lot of players into the pro’s as DC – especially LB’s and safeties. The only weaknesses on his defenses were against running QB’s when they would step-up in the pocket on a pass and then run. Otherwise, top notch. He was very average as HC although he took over a depleted program with only 1 draft pick (6th round in ‘07, I think). They were very inconsistent – loosing to teams they should have beaten – VA & USF in 2010 beacuse of turnovers, but he improved the talent level. They will have multiple players drafted again this year. His biggest deficiency in recruiting was at QB. He could never seem to get the right QB. He likes big DT’s to tie up the lineman, fast ends to rush the QB, fast LB’s & big safeties and plays press with 2 deep and let the LB’s run and make plays. Go back to the 2 times UT played Miami during his time as DC and watch that defense. Even the 10-6, UT win in Miami, UT had less than 200 yards of offense and UM stopped them to get the ball back (fumbled punt – I was at that game, so I recall it quite well!) At any rate, he would do extremely well at UT as the DC. Just sign him already, though!
yeah, I think we'd all be ecstatic to get him as DC
and I wish we’d sign him already too
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 4, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
good stuff though, thanks
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 4, 2012 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
I've never seen a UT quarterback with less time to throw
than Clausen in that 2002 game. Product speaks for itself.
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