Quick-Hitter Notes on Tennessee Volunteers Coach Derek Dooley's Press Conference
Tennessee Volunteers head football coach Derek Dooley held an impromptu press conference Tuesday morning. Absent was a self resignation, the sight of any new defensive coordinator [GASP! No Randy Shannon!!] or even the on-camera presence of athletic director Dave Hart.
Instead, it was spinning time in Tennessee, and Dooley addressed plenty of news-of-the-day items ... and even hinted we might not be finished with the not-so-savory news. Despite the pumping of orange sunshine and smell of orange roses, there was little positive news for the football program. Instead, it was a hodge-podge catch-all of the things he'd not gotten to discuss with the media since the season-ending loss to Kentucky.
So, let's run down a list of the topics addressed, and if I miss something, please feel free to catch it in the comments.
- DeAnthony Arnett. Whether it was caving to media pressure, changing his mind once all the facts were gathered or coming to an alternate conclusion after meetings with Arnett and his family, Dooley has decided to back off the conditions in Arnett's release and grant him an unconditional departure from Tennessee. He cited his comfort level with making the change after having discussions with the Arnetts. The former four-star receiver who had the second-most catches of any freshman receiver in UT history will be allowed to transfer near his Saginaw, Mich., home to wherever he wants -- including Michigan or Michigan State. This comes less than a week after Arnett told ESPN and other media outlets that Dooley was limiting his transfer possibilities to MAC schools near his Michigan home. [On a personal note, I know it makes Dooley look weak to backtrack, but I don't care. This is what is best for Arnett, and this is the right move in my opinion. This will be best for everybody in the long run.] Per KNS reporter Andrew Gribble's twitter, here is Arnett's statement: "I will never be able to express fully my appreciations and gratitude for his decision. I want to ensure that all recruits, current players and fans know that Tennessee is headed in the right direction. UT has always surpassed the rest, and I believe in due time they will be back to the number one program in the SEC. I just want to thank Coach Dooley and Tennessee for leaving a footprint in my life that will never be erased. I have developed a friendship and bond with so many people at Tennessee that I will never be able to replace."
- The Departure of Justin Wilcox and Peter Sirmon. Dooley said he harbors no ill will to those guys -- or special teams/tight ends coach Erik Russell -- for heading back home. He said those guys worked their butts off for Tennessee while they were here, and he understands this is a business. He never got into any specifics about the conversations he had with those assistants leading up to their departure or the parameters surrounding it. He also said this is also an opportunity to get better. Dooley spun the departures as those guys wanting to get closer to home, which I'm sure did have something to do with it. There was no discussion about whether or not UT tried to keep them. Later in the press conference, it seemed he indirectly was addressing the departure of Wilcox and Sirmon when he said something along the lines of "if you don't feel like you're absolutely in and bleeding orange ... you should go." He also stated seven schools in the SEC are seeking coordinators.
- What? No Randy Shannon yet? Kevin Steele? Of course, there were no new coaches to be introduced at the press conference, ending rampant speculation that a hire had already been made. To my knowledge, Dooley didn't mention any specific names at all throughout the course of the press conference as candidates. He did acknowledge that he would act "the quicker the better" in hiring a defensive coordinator due to the sensitive time before signing day, etc., but he would "not compromise" in making that hire. He'll still go through the process of interviews, etc. He also said he didn't know the difference in discussions and "formal" discussions but indicated that he has had conversations with candidates. Dooley stated that "the most trying month of a head coach is January because coaches are free agents and recruits are free agents."
- The State of the Program. Dooley noted the nine returning defensive starters on a unit ranked 28th in the country and also said the entire program was "in great shape" compared to where it was 22 months ago and this is the most excited he has ever been entering an offseason. He said the team continuity is better than it has ever been, and he's not worried about leadership. He said that was a problem last year, but he isn't concerned about it right now. He said he had a two-hour conversation after the Kentucky loss with Tyler Bray that went great, and Dooley said nothing negative about any of his players other than the fact that the days following the UK loss were emotional for everybody. "We're on our way... the worst is behind us."
- Da'Rick Rogers. Dooley adamantly said Rogers is still on the team. He isn't suspended. Nothing's going on with that. "Da'Rick's fine," Dooley said. "Da'Rick's on our team -- he hasn't been suspended." The coach said he doesn't want to talk about the roster right now and what went on in team meetings "but Da'Rick is on our team, and he's good."
- The New Media. Dooley said part of the reason he met with the media today was to address all the rumors, innuendo and speculation out there. He compared 24-hour news media and the atmosphere it has created to soap operas. He even mentioned "my retirement" being greatly exaggerated in one of the more light-hearted moments of the press conference.
- Recruiting. Though he didn't mention names, he prominently stated the issues facing coaches with the signing 25 rule, indirectly addressing UT's recent decision to be up front and honest with commitments Imani Cross, Khalid Henderson and Keithon Redding in asking them to look around because UT was going to look around. In a cryptic moment, Dooley said something about academic risks on recruits and MID-TERM GRADES having an impact on these decisions. When questioned later about the roster, Dooley told a reporter that he didn't want to speculate on roster movement right now until next week. "Give me a week on that," Dooley said. "When they all come back to school, I'll sort through any changes." It seemed to me that this indicated Dooley was still expecting some changes and possibilities that some players didn't pass the required hours to be eligible at the start of next season. If they didn't pass six hours, players will have to sit the first four games of next year, according to new NCAA rules.
- His Relationship With Dave Hart. I mean, what is Dooley going to say? But he did mention he has had great dialog with Hart and that Hart "100 percent believes in what we're doing and where we're headed." Dooley said he didn't think UT could have made a better hire.
- On New Running Backs Coach Jay Graham. Dooley briefly mentioned that Graham is everything you're looking for in a coach and person and that UT was lucky to have him.
I may have missed something important. If so, please feel free to include it in the comments, but these were the high points I gathered from this morning's press conference.
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"things he'd not gotten to discuss with the media since the season-ending loss to Kentucky."
This seems to imply that he has not been given an opportunity to discuss these things since then.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
Probably poorly worded and the Southern Middle Tennessee coming out in me
That implies [in my own way of talking…] that he hadn’t gotten around to doing it yet until now, but I see the disconnect.
Still, if that’s the only thing you’re pointing out that’s wrong with my writing on a quick-hitter post that I tried to write while listening, we good. Hahaha.
: )
Holdin' it down on enemy grounds.
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Arnett's statement:
“I will never be able to express fully my appreciations and gratitude for his decision. I want to ensure that all recruits, current players and fans know that Tennessee is headed in the right direction. UT has always surpassed the rest, and I believe in due time they will be back to the number one program in the SEC. I just want to thank Coach Dooley and Tennessee for leaving a footprint in my life that will never be erased. I have developed a friendship and bond with so many people at Tennessee that I will never be able to replace.”
Somebody must have whispered in the young man’s ear….“Brush up on you writing skills”. This edition is so much better then the initial version. This tells me he is headed in the right direction….1st thing he did was to get a publicist to put a well written spin on his departure. Brilliant!!!
I love to see young people in listening mode.
Sgt Rutledge aka Woody Strode
IF we don't have huge off field issues (GRADES)
Dooley’s floor is probably still Mike Shula, and next year should be the best we’ve seen in a long while. If he gets guys in who fit with his personality, he’ll probably be a lot less inclined to lose the team than he was this year. But it’d be nice to get a top notch DC in, and soon. And, you know, see some evidence that he’s more than Mike Shula.
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 3, 2012 11:34 AM EST reply actions
Everybody quit running around like your hair is on fire
I think that was pretty much the message of the presser, and I for one agree.
To be honest with you, I really think the last couple of days has been a really good example of the real and visceral damage a few people with big audiences and a vested commercial interest in manufacturing disunity can do to a program (::coughcoughCLAYFREAKINGTRAVIScoughcough::). The OMGDOOLEYHASLOSTTHETEAM meme seems to me to be pretty baseless, and frankly doesn’t help anything at this point besides the 104.5 coffers.
For the record, there’s a place for sowers of discord.

by _trey_ on Jan 3, 2012 11:37 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
And Basilio.
Holdin' it down on enemy grounds.
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by Brad Shepard on Jan 3, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Yep, he's really becoming a bit of a clown
He’s now reduced himself to defending against criticism of his nonsense. He needs to grow and pair and if his schtick is going to be sensationalized fan fodder than stick to his guns instead of blubbering about how he’s misunderstood and why his voice is so vital to the program yada, yada, yada.
With good reasons, the fan base is a bit fragile at the moment
We desperately need a couple years of relative quiet and/or some very stong on field success to settle everyone’s nerves.
by phil g on Jan 3, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I can not begin to convey...
how much less stressful my life seems since I quit following Claaaaaaaaaay on Twitter and Facebook. He’s nothing but a rabble-rouser of the worst kind. There’s no way his writing and/or analysis is ever going to be half as good as he thinks it is.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Trey
Was Justin Wilcox run off by Tony Basilio? Was he run off by Clay Travis? Was he run off by the fanbase they stirred up?
The answer of course is no. And you of course know this. What we have here is cause and effect.
Cause: Our young and up-and-coming Defensive Coordinator leaves Tennessee to go live where it rains every day of the week and where he’ll draw a smaller paycheck despite a higher cost of living — such that the house he probably just sold in Knoxville will have netted him enough money to now buy something 70% smaller (though I’m sure it will be quite quaint) — for the opportunity to be at an inferior program coaching inferior players and not even having the option to go out at night and check out the cutting edge music scene because grunge died when Ryan Leaf was still a backup and yeah sure I like the movie “singles” too, but it’s not even Cameron Crowe’s best music-genre-themed movie I mean Almost Famous was much much better and this is to be expected when you have to settle for Kyra Sedgwick as the leading lady for the love of god. And on top of that he turned down Texas last year. Texas, man.
Effect: fans begin to draw rational inferences about the state of the program.
And, to be clear, this is not me defending Clay Travis. I don’t even go to that guy’s website…ever. So I have no idea what he has said. I can assume that it wasn’t a call to the volunteer nation urging us all to begin holding hands and singing “it’s a great day to be alive” (though I do like that song) in unison and perfect harmony. Indeed I’m fairly confident that his rhetoric had nothing to do with Randy Travis’ rice cooking in the microwave. But what damage did he cause? Had the damage not been done? Had the event that would cause people to draw not-so-happy-go-lucky inferences not already taken place?
And why in the world would Derek Dooley’s reassurances that we all need to calm down because everything is alright carry any sort of persuasive weight? OF COURSE that’s what he’s gonna say. Was he gonna show up at the presser visibly perspiring and appearing to be strung out on blow and telling us all how he has been hidden under his desk in the fetal position for the last three or four days? Coaches are politician-esque in many ways. Circumstantial evidence is much more useful in evaluating whether Bill Clinton crossed over from medium to heavy petting with "that girl" than are the words that come out of his mouth. And so it goes with the state of UT football. I mean, are you actually suggesting that everything is butterflies and gumdrop smiles with our football program just because Derek Dooley said so?
Have you seen Big Lebowski? Remember the scene where Walter and The Dude are making the drop-off to the Nihilists? The Dude is talking on the phone with one of the nihilists about the timing of the soon-to-occur drop-off. The nihilist hears Walter talking in the background. The dude, of course, was supposed to be making the drop by himself. The Nihilist is none too pleased and hangs up and it pretty clear that everything is completely [fulmerized]. And then Walter says: “nothing is [fulmerized] here Dude, nothing is [fulmerized]. You’re being very un-dude.”
In my estimation, your above post is Walter from the drop-off scene. This discord has been sowed brother. And so I’l sign off with a message from Jules Winfield: "Look, do you wanna play blindman? Go walk with the shepherd. But me, my eyes are wide [fulmerized] open."
Pulp Fiction is the greatest movie ever made. The Big Lebowski is the second greatest movie ever made.
No homer.
by kidbourbon on Jan 4, 2012 3:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Travis Tritt, rather.
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by kidbourbon on Jan 4, 2012 6:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
My opinion
On wins and losses and the TN program have not changed and neither have my expectations. As Dooley noted Coordinator changes occur very frequently in the SEC and while I think Wilcox did a good job with what we had I have always felt there were better candidates out there and still feel there are. The rumors regarding Randy Shannon continue to float around and I think this would be a great hire. It would also signal to me a change in philosophy from Hamilton with Hart in the “pay the man” outlook. It is my understanding from several Bama fans that Hart was instrumental in hiring Saban and the pay what it takes attitude seems to be here because I think it will take a large paycheck to get Shannon. With this in mind, I think if Dooley does’t at least get to 8 wins that Hart will likely replace him and pay whatever it takes. However I really think Dooley will get to 9 wins. Irregardless of the record last year, I think next year is completely different for this team. And in my opinion 10 wins is still the test for me to see if Dooley is the man for the job. I know everyone says that it is unrealistic but as I posted in the thread regarding the schedule, when you look at our returning roster and our schedule only playing AL and MS State, and then the east, a really good coach gets that team to 10 wins, a good coach 9 wins.
Everything you said is Kool and the Gang
But it doesn’t really speak to my point.
Wilcox left for a reason. And that reason wasn’t because he was leaving for a better job. Because had that been the case, he would have been in Austin this year. And it wasn’t because he wanted to be in the west coast because he came here in the first place. And it wasn’t because of a schematic disagreement because Dooley is schematically unwedded.
And that leaves only a couple — maybe even just one — reasons. And they aren’t reasons that paint a glowing picture of what is going on with the football program. And they’re coming from a guy who was in the sausage factory. I’m about to mix metaphors, but if it is the titanic, he would know first.
No homer.
by kidbourbon on Jan 4, 2012 11:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
But...
you could be wrong about his motivation for leaving. Really, it is possible.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Well, I have been wrong before
So it’s certainly possible
No homer.
by kidbourbon on Jan 5, 2012 1:39 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
"And that leaves only a couple — maybe even just one — reasons."
Really?
“And it wasn’t because he wanted to be in the west coast because he came here in the first place.”
Unless he gasp decided to try it out, decided he didn’t like the SEC fishbowl, and wanted to move back to be closer to family and areas he’s familiar with.
“And it wasn’t because of a schematic disagreement because Dooley is schematically unwedded.”
Which you really have no idea about, other than him never being a DC.
Maybe Washington offered him a coach-in-waiting position supposing Sarkisian tanks. Or maybe he has a girlfriend he left on the West Coast. Or maybe he never just really meshed with Dooley and crew. Or maybe he hates grits. We have no idea, and no guarantee that we even have any idea what the context of his reasoning was.
You can deduce all you want, but Sherlock Holmes was made up, man. Not actually real. And they only way to see this as rats fleeing a sinking ship is if you’ve already decided she’s going down and just make a bunch of assumptions to fit that.
assumption vs inference
I’m doing the latter, and quite reasonably to boot.
Or you could be right. It could be that Wilcox is coach-in-waiting for a guy in his 30s. I mean you never know. And, really, you make a great point that should be underscored and read by all. As fans we should never attempt that fancy sherlock holmesy deduction stuff. Indeed we should probably refrain from discussing anything not already established as fact to a 99.99437% certainty level. All this new age ‘reasonable inference’ gobbledygook is reckless and imprudent, and possibly unsafe. As such, I hereby propose a sitewide policy change memorializing the above.
Joel: how can we make this happen? Do we need like 2/3s vote or something? No worries if so. I’ll be drumming up support. The people need to know that this destructive device, innocuously referred to as “reasonable inference”, is in fact a wolf in sheep’s clothing and must be stopped dead in its tracks, and quickly.
No homer.
by kidbourbon on Jan 5, 2012 2:34 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
"refrain from discussing anything not already established as fact to a 99.99437% certainty level"
Works for the Sports Animal. Makes for exciting listening.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
Poff
Look, you want to see signs of the program going to hell, and you found them. Big shock. I’m just pointing out that reality tends to be a tad more complex. And spare me the “I can say whatever I want, man, you’re not my real dad” routine. It’s getting a little old explaining that “put down the damn pitchforks” doesn’t mean “everything’s peachy,” and you know that as well as I do.
Look, I do think we can agree at least that we have a serious perception problem right now. Kentucky, the Arnett thing and Wilcox leaving have all left a serious bad taste and haven’t been handled well, even considering the generally abyssal Tennessee PR standards. I just think crappy PR doesn’t at all necessarily reflect the actual state of the program.
Take the hand of God out of it. Suppose Lathers doesn’t get hurt. Or suppose Hunter had come down a little differently from that catch in September- or that Bray hadn’t screwed up his hand. Suppose we had beat Kentucky and were in a bowl game. Are you honestly going to tell me you think we’d even be having this discussion?
"suppose we had beat Kentucky"
We didn’t. And in my humble opinion it is less than constructive to imagine an alternative outcome when the outcome itself undeniably oozes probative evidence. It wasn’t a coin flip or a square on a roulette wheel that caused us to lose to Kentucky. It wasn’t the ball bouncing in the wrong direction. It was the manifestation of many already-existing flaws in the construct of executing plays in the game of football.
They sometimes say that luck is just what happens when skill meets opportunity. Conversely, I believe the kentucky outcome is what happens when opportunity presents itself to an easily-exposable football team. What I’m saying is that that game was months in the making. You can’t dismiss it.
I very much believe in football Darwinism. I don’t believe it is ever an accident when one football team beats another by 40. Great football teams happen when players operate in a highly organized and efficient fashion in executing strategically well-designed plays. Yes, great talent helps too. But truly truly horrible football teams are horrible because they can’t get a snap off, or execute a handoff, or communicate the correct play. I actually find it just as fascinating to pay attention to the 5 or so truly bad football teams in a given year as opposed to the elite ones. The putridity will blow your mind. Akron will be 29 point dogs and then they’ll lose by 34, and then they’ll be 36 point dogs and lose by 43. These aren’t accidents. And it isn’t an accident when Western Kentucky is three years removed from being historically bad at the game of football and suddenly now they’re kinda okay.
I think we have more than a perception problem at Tennessee. I think we have a bad football coach.
No homer.
by kidbourbon on Jan 6, 2012 12:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
This isn't baseball.
“And in my humble opinion it is less than constructive to imagine an alternative outcome when the outcome itself undeniably oozes probative evidence.”
I don’t think there’s hardly any probative evidence, at all. Football is pretty much the flukiest sport imaginable. And that flukiness is multiplied when you’re in the middle of a major rebuilding project and your roster is paper-thin. Dooley walked into a devastated program, and I think had us poised to win a good 8 games last season. It didn’t happen due to a string of incredibly decimating injuries, but those are the breaks. What, exactly, do you think anybody could have done with a team of freshmen and sophmores that lost its 5 best players and played one of the toughest schedules in the country? You can talk about ‘execution’ or any other number of empty motivational platitudes all you want, but if you’ve got substantial schematic or strategic problems with the way he’s running the team, I haven’t heard them. I know everybody wants to think otherwise and put a human face on the whole thing, but you really don’t win by force of will alone.
“I very much believe in football Darwinism. I don’t believe it is ever an accident when one football team beats another by 40. Great football teams happen when players operate in a highly organized and efficient fashion in executing strategically well-designed plays. Yes, great talent helps too. But truly truly horrible football teams are horrible because they can’t get a snap off, or execute a handoff, or communicate the correct play. I actually find it just as fascinating to pay attention to the 5 or so truly bad football teams in a given year as opposed to the elite ones. The putridity will blow your mind. Akron will be 29 point dogs and then they’ll lose by 34, and then they’ll be 36 point dogs and lose by 43. These aren’t accidents. And it isn’t an accident when Western Kentucky is three years removed from being historically bad at the game of football and suddenly now they’re kinda okay.”
And I think this is where we really disagree. As somebody said here not that long ago, coaches aren’t magicians. They do the best they can with the hand they’re dealt. And the only thing I think we can say with certainty is that Dooley seems to have absolutely crap luck. Should we hold him responsible for the Kentucky loss? Absolutely. But I don’t think saying that he was apparently unable to motivate that day an extremely young and inexperienced team to play to their full potential after a pretty soul-crushing season means he’s a lousy coach.
Saban’s wins for his first four years at Mich. St. were 6,6,7, and 6, and he lost the 3 bowls they made. Leach turned in two 7-win seasons and lost both his bowls his first two years. Schnellenberger won 8 games total his first 3 years at Louisville. Are you going to stand here and tell me they’re all bad coaches? They’re not. Coaching isn’t about overcoming the odds. It’s about building a strategy, an organization, and a program that gives you the better odds. ‘Rebuilding’ isn’t just a euphemism for us right now.
Look- If we win 6 games next year, I’ll be first in line at the torches-and-pitchforks-mart. But if you’re seriously worried about the Clemonification of Tennessee, firing Dooley now is about the only thing I can think of that would guarantee it.
Our disagreement gap is fairly substantial
If I respond to your post in full, I don’t believe I will be making any points I haven’t already made. And I don’t wish to keep wailing away at the same lifeless mule.
Thus, agree to disagree.
No homer.
by kidbourbon on Jan 6, 2012 4:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I think we just differ here
For what it’s worth, I respect the points you made, and don’t think you’re totally wrong or not making sense or anything. Maybe I just really want you to be wrong. ::shrug::
Anyhow I apologize if I’ve got a little oversnark last little while. “These are the times…” and all that.
I get oversnark all the time
It’s all good.
No homer.
by kidbourbon on Jan 7, 2012 10:50 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was going to point out several things....
However looks like Trey mentioned them for me! I am fully with you that next season should be a 9-10 win season with that schedule and good coaching! I think where we fundamentally disagree is that you believe its not going to happen and I fully believe that we will see a 9-10 win season next year. I don’t see UT Football as a sinking ship contrary to what Sports Talk may say or Basilio or even Clay Travis. If TN can sway a top flight D-Coordinator here then maybe you are right maybe the perception in college football is Derek Dooley is a sinking ship but for now I see Wilcox leaving as him going home to the PAC 12 where he can be a big fish in a lil pond as opposed to being in the big SEC Ocean as a little flounder. He came to TN looking for the next stepping stone and Washington is that stepping stone. PAC 12 schools hire PAC 12 assts to replace their exiting coaches and that’s where he wants to be a coach. If he wanted to avoid a sinking ship he had been tied to several other jobs and if the rumors that he went after the Texas job were true it just shows he was never happy here! I am looking forward to the announcement of our D-Coordinator because I really think its going to be a great hire!
Rec'd.
Because I agree that The Big Lebowski is the 2nd greatest movie of all time.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 4, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Nice
What gets your top slot?
No homer.
by kidbourbon on Jan 4, 2012 11:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I've always had a soft spot for Goodfellas.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 4, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Ray Liotta's best role, easy
I hate to be the “the book was better guy”, but reading the book (wise guys by Nicolas pilleggi) first did affect my opinion of the movie. The Lufthansa heist is like half the book and it’s like 5 minutes in the movie.
Different storytelling mediums, I know, I know. But it tainted me nonetheless.
Great book, btw. Reads very quickly.
No homer.
by kidbourbon on Jan 5, 2012 3:55 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
And when you read the book...
… and then watch the movie again you notice in the movie that they mention (I think in one of the Morrie parts) something about a Boston College point-shaving scheme. It got one throwaway line in the film but was also a pretty major part of the book.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
Yup
Big part of the book, and a very interesting part imho.
No homer.
by kidbourbon on Jan 6, 2012 12:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Liotta's best role by a mile.
I haven’t read the book, actually. I want to, but I don’t want it to take away from my love for my favorite movie, lol.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 6, 2012 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
I don't
I tend towards Memento. But it is a damn fine film.
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 4, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
To have two people on this site agree on a second favorite movie is beating the odds
It wont’ happen thrice.
Third favorite? Things get tough. But I’m going Team America.
No homer.
by kidbourbon on Jan 4, 2012 12:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not even sure I could give a top three movies right now
but I’d probably go The Usual Suspects, Memento, and MirrorMask. Lots of good candidates though
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
Bolts, Canes, Preds (now in different conferences!). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 4, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Third favorite gets a little tough for me, too.
At the very least, I owe an honorable mention to Dazed and Confused.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 4, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps the greatest comment in the history of comments.
Holdin' it down on enemy grounds.
Anti-Snail on offense; Give me a slobberknocker, or give me death!
You and I agree on film selection.
That is for sure. The Dude likely abides, as well.
by GhostDance on Jan 4, 2012 7:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Seriously, stop whining about Wilcox...
If it helps you sleep at night to call Washington an “inferior” program and insult the city of Seattle, go ahead. Based on your comments, it’s abundantly clear that you’ve never traveled to the Pacific Northwest. If you did, you’d find that it’s a significant step up from Knoxville.
Sadly, your rant won’t bring back Wilcox or Sirmon; it won’t stop the exodus of recruits from your 2012 class; and it won’t save the Volunteers from consistent finishes at the bottom of the SEC for the next few years.
Not that I recall.
Holdin' it down on enemy grounds.
Anti-Snail on offense; Give me a slobberknocker, or give me death!
by Brad Shepard on Jan 3, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
He was pretty optimistic heading into last season.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
by birdjam on Jan 4, 2012 7:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I like how he spoke of all the "confusion" surrounding Deanthony.....
Nobody was confused except Dooley when he thought that anyone would let the conditional release slide without taking notice and voicing major disapproval. There was obviously no story behind the story as has been mentioned by some, but rather just what most suspected, a mistake in decision making by the coach that was leading to horrible PR during the height of recruiting season. It was a good move to change his mind on that one.
"I dont hate people. I just feel better when they aren't around." -Bukowski
The fun thing about making your mind up based on no evidence
is you’re always right!
by _trey_ on Jan 3, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The funny thing about treating the coach's statements as the only admissible evidence
Is that there is never any cause for concern.
Just butterflies and gumdrop smiles.
No homer.
by kidbourbon on Jan 4, 2012 12:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Uh-huh. Because message board rumors and talk-radio flamebait are much better.
Never mind Arnett’s statement about how he loved Tennessee and the coaching staff here.
There’s a difference between “concern” (which I think everybody has) and wishing a staff to fail because you’ve already decided Dooley’s a bad coach. I tend to reserve schadenfreude for, you know…. other teams. And Lane Kiffin.
I was all excited that you said flamebait
then I realized you were talking about talk radio.
:-(
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Jan 4, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
standard of review
At what point do you make up your mind that Dooley is a bad football coach? Must the incompetence be proven to you beyond a reasonable doubt? Does your own internal “confidence in sustained success” barometer have to drop down to 0% before your mind gets made up?
Perhaps that is the only difference between you and I. What is the appropriate standard of review?
Beyond a reasonable doubt makes perfect sense when the result of the decision is the removal of personal liberties for 20 years to life. You better be darned sure that guy is guilty. It doesn’t make quite as much sense when you’re talking about a coach who voluntarily pursued and accepted a job and is being paid quite handily to perform said job, and said job can be filled within a couple days if said coach were to depart.
When talking about a well-paid coach holding a competitive position who is replaceable by a future well paid coach, I like the following question to help guide my thinking: based on the available evidence, is it more likely that the current coach:
a) will be able to achieve sustained success
b) will be unable to achieve sustained success
If you’re 51% on option b, the analysis is over.
I’m over 51% on option b. The only reason I already decided Dooley is a bad football coach is because I already decided Dooley is a bad football coach.
I’m not following the schadenfreude angle. I’m a UT alum. I want us to win games by 400 points apiece. Schadenfreude is delight at the suffering of others, not delight at the suffering of the guy whose suffering directly correlates with my own suffering. There is a different word for that. Masochism, I think it is.
No homer.
by kidbourbon on Jan 6, 2012 1:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why does everyone who criticizes a coach get accused of cheering for our team to fail?
Why does that keep happening? Where did kidbourbon say he wants UT to lose?
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
KidB is pretty unabashed about thinking Dooley is a bad coach who needs to be fired
And has been pretty well cheering at every flap that’s come along since Kentucky as confirmation of that opinion. That’s all I meant.
I don't believe "cheering" to be an accurate assessment
My point of view on Dooley changed after Kentucky. Initially I was the only poster (that I’m aware of) on this site willing to advance the argument that we’d be better off without Dooley and should cut our losses. Though I thought my argument to be quite rational, my stance was not well received. And when this happens I think to myself that I must not have made myself clear, and so I try to better articulate my position in a more persuasive manner. After a rinse, lather, repeat, it probably appears as if on a mission. I’m not. I’m just defending what I believe to be a substantially reasonable position…but one that has not yet gained the popular vote.
I don’t get on my knees at night and pray that Dooley’s kids get Ds on their next spelling quiz. I have nothing against the man. I just don’t think he can take our program where I want it to go.
No homer.
by kidbourbon on Jan 6, 2012 5:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I blame it on our discussion of the Big Lebowski previously.
But your last paragraph reminded me of this:
What do you mean brought it bowling, Dude? I didn’t rent it shoes. I’m not buying it a [FULMERIZED] beer. He’s not taking your [FULMERIZED] turn, Dude.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 6, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
So many great things about that movie
Dirty laundry, Dude. The whites.
No homer.
by kidbourbon on Jan 7, 2012 10:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I may not agree with you on that or anything else
But I respect your opinion and think you articulate it well.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
I would be ...guilty.
Good call, coach.
'Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken.' -Frank Herbert
Did people really think Dooley was going to fall on his sword today?
A guy I work with was adamant that Dooley would be resigning this morning. Really?
"Albert hits good pitches hard and bad pitches even harder. And when he gets in the batter's box, if you pray, then you start praying. And if you don't pray, you think about starting."--Brian Bannister
Trevor Rosenthal Update (as of end of regular season)
120 1/3IP, 133 K, 52 BB/HBP, 55 ER, 7 HR, 3.04 FIP
Postseason: 2 Starts- 15 IP, 9 H, 10 K, 2 BB, 3 ER, 19:10 GO:AO
There were certainly some idiots
Yes
Holdin' it down on enemy grounds.
Anti-Snail on offense; Give me a slobberknocker, or give me death!
No kidding
Why would he quit when he’s going to field the best team by far since he’s been here with the best schedule he’s had. He has a chance to hit a HR next year, not that he will, but he could, which is way more than you could say for his first two years. If he fails next year than he’s got no one to blaim, if he succeeds he extends his career here. Who wouldn’t play that hand?
I Agree
I agree with your post completely. Yes Dooley has made some questionable calls and lost some games we all feel he should have won but that goes for every single coach in America. That being said next year will be his year. He will own whatever the outcome and the consequences that follow. I have been a Dooley supporter and believe that this will all be a moot point this time next year, but meanwhile Dooley will have more quality and experience than with any team he has fielded to this point so why on Earth would he resign. Additionally that would only set TN back. If Dooley fails to meet expectations next year then it is reasonable to believe that he should be fired. He spent two seasons building a roster and a system at least give him a chance to see if it grows to fruitition.
agreed
Year 3 is the key for an embattled coach. After ‘98, we were calling for DuBose’s head, and he won the SEC in his third year, going 11-3 overall. Same with Shula, who won 10 games in his third year. Now, they both crashed and burned in their fourth years, but that’s not the point. Whether it’s fair or not, the climate of big time college ball is that you have to win in accordance with your fan base’s expectations by Year 3, almost irrespective of whatever your predecessor left you. That’s a long-winded way of saying that blaming youth, attrition, and Kiffin should not be acceptable any longer. I know y’all don’t want to hear another damn thing about shower discipline or bamboo…you want to win, and compete for an SEC title. If Dooley thinks that’s unfair or unrealistic (and I’m sure he doesn’t) then he’d be better off coaching in the Ohio Valley Conference.
What exactly did I say that would infer I don't support Dooley?
I even said that I believe all this the sky is falling will be a moot point???? Meaning I believe he gets to 9 wins probably 10. But like it or not 8 is likely the floor for keeping his job. Thats just the way it is!
I agree
Beat NC State and Florida to open 4-0 and nobody remembers any of this garbage going on right now.
Win 10 games and he gets an extension along with talk of a statue by the same people who said he was resigning yesterday……..
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Win 7 or less and I would agree it's time for a change
Even if it sets us back again.
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I agree
And considering the schedule and the state of FL’s offense losing most of its “key” players meaning they will new starters in a new system, and our offense returning 10 starters including one of the top receivers in the SEC this year and Bray being Healthy, the game being at home and returning 9 starters on defense, though there will probably some type of learning curve there, it is still a seasoned defense returning 3 freshman all sec and two freshman all americans. and I don’t think a veteran team in the SEC should lose to a mid tier ACC team. This would just be unacceptable to me.
Explanation
First, my response was snotty. For that, you have my sincere apology.
>Ctrl-alt-del<
I disagree that a less than stellar, or even losing, year three must result in Dooley’s termination. He’s trying to build a successful, reliable program in the naton’s most competitive conference, without the cache that comes with the last name of “Meyer” or “Saban”; I think we should expect it to take longer.
Plus, what if we were to lose Bray again? Yes, Dooley is responsible for preparing for those contingencies, but even with an easier schedule and another class of “his” players, there are a plethora of things that could easily scuttle an otherwise promising season.
My personal view is that Dooley should have been considered a minimum four year investment, barring gross misconduct. Maybe that’s too generous, but I wish we, as a fan base, would at least bite our tongues until the end of next season before we start playing armchair AD.
I feel like I've been one of the patient ones
and I think giving anybody an auto-four year investment is nuts
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 4, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
How did Saban and Meyer get that cache?
They weren’t born with it. Hell, Dooley is the one benefitting from pedigree, not the other two. They didn’t get their reps by having losing seasons in their third seasons (or losing seasons at all, for that matter). Think about what all he has going for him in 2012: how could an SEC East schedule EVER get any easier? Avoids all the big hitters in the West save for Bama, gets Florida at home, a middling ACC team on a neutral field is the biggest non-conference challenge…that’s as soft as it is EVER going to get in this league. He’ll have a junior QB, at least one (probably two) NFL-caliber WRs, and almost nothing but “his” recruits in the fold. If he has a losing season in 2012, I can’t think of a single plausible excuse for letting him have another minute on campus.
Plus, what if we were to lose Bray again?
So what if you do? Is there a rule that says that UT isn’t allowed to win a game without Bray? (I’d point out that they haven’t really won too many WITH him, certainly not over anybody any good). You do realize that he won’t be around forever, right? As has been pointed out before, even Mike Shula won 10 games in his 3rd year. As of 2012, there are no more excuses for Dooley. If he can’t win this year, with these players and this schedule, then he won’t ever win. Maybe New Mexico State will be in the market for a HC by then.
having said all that...
if Dooley can’t win under these circumstances, we Bama fans HOPE he stays! Hell, give that man an extension! With apologies to Spur Dog, you won’t be able to spell “Music City” without UT!
if we have a losing season next year and don't make a change
you won’t be able to spell Music City with UT
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 5, 2012 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
Because
There are 3 built in wins (GS State, Akron, Troy), 3 should be wins (NC State, KY, Vandy), This leaves only MS State, SC, GA, AL, FL, and Missouri as contested games. It is not unreasonable to expect that Dooley win 50% of these games considering the losses FL will have on Offense and its at home, Missouri, a former mid tier Big 12 team, will be the end of the season in their first season playing an SEC schedule and it will be at home, and MS State does not have the talent or experience TN will have. SC loses a several key defensive stars and likely Alshon Jeffrey will be leaving as he is projected the second receiver in the draft. GA “should be” better so there is one loss and while AL will lose some key players they will reload so we will call that one a loss too. Though after next year if we have to concede losses to teams before we even play them than it is most definitely time for a change. But as I have said numerous times I really see TN getting to 9 or 10 wins next season.
UK was a "should" win this year, too
Sort of dismissing an awful lot of teams, aren’t you? Optimism is a good thing, but sheesh…NC State, Vandy, Miss St, SC, GA, AL, FL, and Mizzou all finished with better records than UT this year. Coming off a 5 win season, I don’t think you can take any of those games for granted.
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Pearl for Life.
I hate football.
by hal41605 on Jan 3, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I remember those guys
Prolly the same ones that were adamant about Fulmer resigning in 2003 and 2005.
by GhostDance on Jan 3, 2012 9:10 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
And kudos to Dooley...
.,..for doing the right thing re: Arnett. Sad that he didn’t do that in the first place. I’ve been ripping him at every turn for the original release conditions, so now that he’s changed course, I applaud him.
from what he said during the press conference
it did sound like he didn’t really react or anything like that to the media, but would’ve made the same decision regardless. First of all, the release couldn’t be granted until today since the office that would handle the paperwork was closed over break. Also, dooley claims that he was initially contacted by Arnett’s brother, not Arnett himself, so he wanted to talk it over with Arnett and he didn’t get the opportunity until soon.
If Arnett didn’t go on twitter/facebook and start talking to the media, the same result probably would’ve happened with a lot fewer “black marks” on UT
Do you also believe in the tooth fairy?
Dooley backtracked because he was getting crushed.
Occam’s Razor, guys.
No homer.
by kidbourbon on Jan 4, 2012 5:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I shaved this morning.
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
by Chris Pendley on Jan 4, 2012 6:59 AM EST up reply actions
I didn't
I’m going scraggly.
No homer.
by kidbourbon on Jan 4, 2012 12:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I do know one thing
if I went onto campus to try to get paperwork done the last few weeks, there’d be absolutely nobody there to process it. If I went to go talk to a professor, I’d be lucky if they were there.
I also do know that you don’t quit a job or a sports team or anything else by having your brother call your boss/coach. You yourself talk to them, preferably face to face.
Mr. Shepard wrote this
He cited his comfort level with making the change after having discussions with the Arnetts.
Meaning the parents. I have not heard or read that Deanthony never approached him initially. I would be surprised if he would have brought up the issue by having his brother call first. Think about that sequence of events:
his brother calls Dooley
Dooley turns him down
He goes to the KNS
If that sequence is what actually happened then Mr. Arnett is frightened of face to face communication to such a level that I would call it diagnosable. But I seriously seriously doubt that Arnett’s brother was the first person to tell Dooley of Arnett’s desire to transfer.
No homer.
by kidbourbon on Jan 4, 2012 12:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
we've heard a lot about how his brother meddled over the course of the season
so I’m guessing that was the reason for turning him down initially. “You don’t do it the right way, you don’t do it” sort of thing.
after that, either Arnett came back to Dooley or Dooley realized the media whirlwind he created and they had another meeting, convinced each other that they were trying to do things the right way, and settled everything out. Arnett seems like a pretty good and sometimes mature guy, and I’m sure he could get Dooley on his side if he tried hard enough. Now whether it was Arnett or Dooley that made that next move, I don’t know. It was the politically expedient move for Dooley, but he hasn’t really cared about media whirlwinds so far, so I’m not sure I believe he was the one who cared about this one. Could’ve been hard telling the both of them to kiss and make up though.
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 4, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Hart*, not hard
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 4, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't that happen with a transfer last season or the year before?
You triggered something – someone wanted to transfer, Dooley denied the request until he went to go talk to him in person. Lennon Creer?
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by Chris Pendley on Jan 4, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Update: I think it was Bryce Brown (at least based on talking to I_S).
Part of me wonders if he’s being consistent to try and send a message on how to deal with people in the real world. Good philosophy to have, but it’d also be a sign he’s done this before.
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by Chris Pendley on Jan 4, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think it was Creer
The way I remember the Creer situation, he left here for Reston because he wanted to play for Dooley, only for Dooley to come here. Could be wrong though.
Lou Brock loves Lamp.
To be clear
I dont care whether Dooley changed his mind because of media and fanbase backlash or for another reason altogether. The most important is that he did change his mind.
In this situation I think the end result is the only important part. The stuff leading to the end result isn’t a huge deal, in my estimation. I mean, sure Dr. House initially thought it was Syphillis, but at the end of the show he figured out that the problem was the second heart that had formed as a birth defect and attached to the kidney, and was causing paraneoplastic syndrome as a result. It didn’t matter whether the idea came to him while belittling Wilson or advancing overtures at Cuddy. Problem solved is all I remember.
No homer.
by kidbourbon on Jan 4, 2012 2:14 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don't believe you.
It was lupus.
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by Chris Pendley on Jan 4, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
I do, I do!
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