Bad News Starts Early: Peters to Arkansas
A month after the Tennessee staff asks LB Khalid Henderson to look around, they find their top two prospects at the position, Dalton Santos and Otha Peters, decommit within a period of days.
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Huge, huge blow
And according to Bama writer Tim Watts Korren Kirven eliminated Tennessee, and it sounds like he’ll sign with Alabama right now.
Shaping up to be the worst Signing Day in a while.
Peters … whew. That’s huge. He straight-up lied to Volquest. Brutal.
Holdin' it down on enemy grounds.
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Go to Va. Tech, not Bama
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Tim Watts
seems to be stretching things a little bit if you ask me… I won’t believe anything about Kirven until it comes directly from Kirven.
we had four LB recruits a month ago
now we have one.
that’s one of our thinnest positions.
you do the math
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 4:47 PM EST reply actions
I'd imagine so
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
I am sure
TN will run some 3-4 sets next year, I think I have already read somewhere that J. Smith will be moving to LB, and I am sure one or two of TN’s other “smallish” (take that within its context..LOL) will likely be hybrid LBs when necessary.
This stings........
……I don’t think many were shocked about Santos but I felt this kid would stay. Its a shame that loyalty didn’t figure in with either as the VOLS were way ahead of the curve with Santos and Peters. Oh well…my theory is I only talk/worry about those recruits who become a VOL…….I still think when the dust settles tomorrow we have an excellent class of recruits who bleed orange!!!!
by Marooned Pirate on Jan 31, 2012 4:50 PM EST reply actions
welp...
I hope whoever the HC is after next season can hold onto assistants and recruits.
by Caban on Jan 31, 2012 4:55 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
these are pretty much my thoughts as well
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
This is what happens when you have a lame-duck coach
Who lost to Kentucky.
Call me a turncoat if you will. I still support Dooley, but the writing certainly appears to be on the wall.
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8 wins
8 wins I think Dooley keeps his job and I don’t see how he could not get to 8 wins barring some disastrous injuries. So I don’t think he is a lame duck coach. Is he the man for the job, I just don’t know. In my opinion the only way I think he truly is the coach for the job is to get to double digit victories next season. But I think if he goes 8-4 and makes it to a bowl game he will keep his job another year, and I just don’t see how he could not reach 8 wins not with the returning players.
we have more talent in place for success than we've had since probably 2005
if we don’t win this year, I don’t think very many people will argue that a coaching change isn’t the best course of action.
if we do win this year, it’ll be interesting to see whether all these problems with holding onto assistants/recruits go away or whether Dooley just is flat hard to work with
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
I obviously want UT to win every game
But is it best to win next year then see a massive defection of all our offensive talent to the NFL and for there to be the paper thin classes behind it? We got one guy at LB and no OL in this class.
That’s not good, guys. Just sayin.
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by Brad Shepard on Jan 31, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
I have the same conundrum
but I can at least hold onto some hope that the problems holding onto guys is because other coaches are calling Dooley a lame duck and pointing to how we never win. we come out and go 9-3 with a win or two over recruiting rivals, you’d think that’d mean something. you’d think
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Well...
truthfully… we might actually be better off in the long run with a total implosion next season.
Bill Battle spent years doing “just enough” to hold onto his job, and by the time he finally got canned we were really lacking in SEC talent.
even at worst
with the kind of staff we have, we’re not building a talent base worse than, say, Arkansas or South Carolina. but we’re doing nothing to show we can keep up with Florida and Alabama
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
oh...
it’s nowhere near as bad as Battle was, but it’s really the only comparison I can make. I suppose if he just barely held on for another 5 or 6 seasons it could get there.
probably fair
but definitely not happening. I really want a season that shows we’re not messing around or a season that gets us a proven head coach. the in-between is definitely what worries me
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Implosion next year would be the quickest path to success imo.
I cant imagine the mess that is likely on the horizon with a 9 win season next year followed by the mess that will be the following year.
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by cerebralfish on Jan 31, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
if we win 9 games next year, negative "Dooley = hotseat" recruiting ends, we sign a solid class
even if the record in 2013 is really bad, the talent level is reasonable, albeit not at UF/Bama levels
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
"Dooley loses every major contributor" recruiting begins.
At least this year he had the injuries argument on the trail while selling some uber talented athletes already on the team to play with in knoxville. 2013 he will be right back to recruiting to a bare cupboard.
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by cerebralfish on Jan 31, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
not if Bowles and Croom look ready to take the reins at WR
we don’t have a lot of seniors on defense (or juniors expected to go pro). So the argument is “Dooley loses his QB.” Lots of teams lose their QB
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
sorry, docrok, PG-13 here
“that bare cupboard [Fulmerized] ain’t flying anymore.
Sorry for the language but I call bull[Fulmerized] on that one. No way it should be a dropoff. It better improve in 2013 too!"
FWIW, I agree. Well, I think our offense will see a dropoff in 2013, but if it’s a dropoff back to 6-6, there’s a serious problem. Namely, that our entire offense was Tyler Bray and/or Justin Hunter
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry
I apologize for the language but the sentiment is dead on……. No way one player or one class makes a team. Thats the point of recruiting to replenish talent so that only dips are seen. Ie 9-3 / 8-4 in place of 10-12 wins. Thats why TN spends so much on recruiting to be spilling that garbage!
precisely
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
One player can make/break a team. RGIII is the most recent example.
But those are very fragile teams, and that one player has to not only stay healthy, but also stay sharp. It’s not something you can count on.
by David Hooper on Jan 31, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
On Baylor
But it would not have mattered if Trent Richardson went down last year AL would have still won min 9 or 10 games. We are not Baylor and if that is what we are comparing ourselves to then we definitely need to find another coach
No we are not Baylor.
Last year, we were worse. Long term, we can’t stay below Baylor, but going from losing-to-Kentucky to next-SEC-National-Champ in one year should be a pleasant surprise, not an expectation. A year or two of transition is much more likely. And what we need to see.
by David Hooper on Jan 31, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
transition?
did you completely forget the bamboo metaphor?
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Heh.
Well, here’s my mark: 9 wins and legitimately competitive in the East. As in: close enough to make winning it actually believable instead of the product of biased wishful thinking.
So much of this next year revolves around beating Florida, it’s not even funny.
by David Hooper on Jan 31, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
that's pretty much also my standard
I do believe that Dooley can keep his job with 8-4 and not really a legit East contender, but it’ll take legit contention to restore my belief in him having a future at Tennessee
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
This is the right mark, too
8-4 ain’t gonna get it done. Not from this fanbase (and I include myself in that mix, of course). If Dooley or anyone over there thinks 8-4 will keep them safe, they’re wrong.
by Will Shelton on Jan 31, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
a very good TE and 2 possible 1st rounders
at WR. I love Croom though and when considering the future he has college and even NFL ready measurables right now so he could be a legit replacement. Also you’re right, most teams have a rebuilding year or two with a new QB, but I dont think Dooley can survive what the average coach can right now.
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by cerebralfish on Jan 31, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
it really depends on whether we can convince people that Croom and Bowles and Clear
can take over as targets. which they certainly have the skills to do
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
I thought the Arnette deal was pretty lame
as he had already assumed the role of next generation on the field.
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by cerebralfish on Jan 31, 2012 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
agree
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
Not Rebuilding... Reloading
Would be an extra loss or two not a 6-6 season! I am talking dips not valleys! And last year was a “reloading” year for AL. This was an offensive reloading year for AL. They had a first year starter at QB. I’m not buying that sorry! Sell it somewhere else. They recruited Worley because he has the tools, 2 years in the program with one as the primary backup does not constitute rebuilding!
9 win season likely earns Dooley an extension
So yes all of the ‘stability’ stories would go away.
Completely agree with this.
Seems weird to say it, but one would have to think the quickest way back for TN is an implosion next year followed by a big splash coaching hire. Even if Dooley has 9 wins next year, the shape of the program is middle of the pack in the SEC at best long-term imo.
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by cerebralfish on Jan 31, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Saban
Saban is very hard to work with also…. This has been well documented. Very demanding. Dooley worked the longest with Saban last i think 6 years, its possible he developed that type of character and he is hard to work with. Personally I think TN will be successful next year. As for this year’s recruiting class I doubt lame duck coaching staff is the reason for the recruits de-committing. So far only Peters and Santos left despite the coaches trying to keep them and Santos has been a lifelong Texas fan that finally got an offer, come on of course he takes that. So only Peters left. This doesn’t send the whole lame duck coach vibe.
+1000
The narrative, at this point, feels like one where Dooley doesn’t survive. Thinking we barely get to a bowl(6-6), and he gets canned before it. The only question is who do we land as a replacement, and can he put a stop to the attrition?
I’d suggest that seriously competing for the SEC East title is the minimum for him to keep his job… if he can’t do that with Bray, Hunter and Rogers then there is close to a 0% chance he can do it without them. Fulmer gets a lot of crap, but I’d bet he could have won 10 games with this roster.
I tend to agree
if we can’t compete for the East this year, I really can’t see us doing so under this staff
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
Rivera will also be gone after 2012 wont he?
I agree, and I do think there are coaches out there that can immediately stop the attrition. Mark Stoops would be on the market. Ive also wondered where Butch Davis has been hiding as he would be the best man for the job imo. There are some recognized names out there who would come to TN for sure as long as the timing was reasonable for success and they werent thrust into the fire too late to make an impact in year 1.
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by cerebralfish on Jan 31, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions
Mark Stoops
Could not win at AZ why on earth would he be able to win at TN? Also Butch Davis just got fired for violations at UNC and he wasnt exactly lighting up the win column there either…. I see both of those as lateral moves for TN, At Best!!
Mark and Mike are different guys
but I want a proven guy if we have to hire a new guy. If Louisville goes 10+ wins and takes the Big East, give me Strong
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
Ahh My mistake
However I still don’t see this as an upgrade! Period! And here again, everyone keeps pointing to wins and losses next season which this recruiting class in my opinion would have very little effect on. TN is probably not going to be coach shopping next year!
Butch Davis had national media recognizing
UNC as a national title contender before the suspensions. That team was completely stacked. It was scary, the kind of talent he brought into a bball school like UNC as they instantly became relevant and once again this is UNC were talking about. I think 8 players on that defense went pro. I dont know who would be best but I do know Butch Davis is a good coach that great players follow.
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by cerebralfish on Jan 31, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Not crippling.
When I think about the offensive attrition looming after 2012 I do count him as a big loss being an NFL caliber TE. With the loss of Arnette already coupled with Rogers and Hunter that adds up to practically every contributing receiver going into 2013. That WR corp and QB will be completely green.
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by cerebralfish on Jan 31, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Whoawhoawhoa now
Little early to start firing Dooley again. It’s one guy. We’ve been turned down before and will be again just as we’ve stolen from others and laughed all day.
Dooley will get a year and this team WILL win 8 games next season which will get him another year.
Let’s not all start turning in to John Adams and Mike Griffith just yet.
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six assistants have made lateral moves
JuCo signing day was a disaster (losing our top two targets to Florida and Mississippi State), and it looks like NSD might be a repeat.
I fully believe that we have the pieces in place to win 8 games, but all the warning signs are there
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
ummm
Dooley would be very, very hard pressed to beat out 07, 08, and/or ’09 for worst NSD ever.
How quickly we forgetr that those three classes are exactly why Dooley is having trouble. He may not be able to coach but can we please, PLEASE wait until we have a full two-deep before we blow 5 mil on another buy-out?
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Damn, even John Adams wrote a column on how bad Dooley is hamstrung by previous classes
And he’s the biggest troll this side of Clay Travis.
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you're conflating "worst NSD" with "worst class"
we’re obviously in no position to determine how the ‘12 class will contribute to the success or failure of Tennessee football. That said, we almost certainly will also not be in such a position when we make a decision as to Dooley’s future
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
My roomate just pointed out...
that this thread took like 5 minutes to hit the “fire dooley, bring back fulmer, worst team in history of ever” Trifecta.
Gotta be a record.
lol
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Disappointed
Disappointing as this is, I understand the kid has to do what he thinks is best for himself, but what is with all the lying………… I understand a 17 or 18 year old kid will change his mind but to blatantly lie…. Makes no sense to me. The coaching change so close to signing day had me somewhat worried and I thought we had weathered the storm with most of our recruits but apparently not with this kid. I was most excited about this recruit as I had posted on the write up Brad had done. I am still shocked a kid would pick Fayetteville over Knoxville….. At any rate I still think TN will finish strong.
Recruiting is a cruel, cruel game
Man is selfish
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I don't know why I wrote "selfish"
More like, men lie.
that’s better
"We've got weapons, we've still got weapons... That's terrible, I apologize."
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We've all lied to pressure salesmen at some point or another
just to get them out of our hair. I dont know the exact situation with this kid, but many times the kids are asked over and over and over and over and over if theyre solid when they dont know if theyre solid or not. They can either say “I dont know” and be hounded absolutely constantly about it or they can lie and say “yeah I’ll be there” and take a breath to think about it. They dont want to say “no” because they might actually still be considering said school.
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by cerebralfish on Jan 31, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
Out of curiousity whom did Peters tell he wasnt coming to TN
I ask only cause of this statement? Maybe he was lying about going somewhere else?
I'm not sure what his lie was.
Like I said I dont know that story, but in the above comments it said he lied so I was just trying to look at it from his perspective and think of reasons a kid would “lie”. A teenager lying is no news imo and definitely anything but surprising. Coaches are even worse which Im not a fan of.
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by cerebralfish on Jan 31, 2012 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
NO I am asking where the info came from
Where did the info that Peters is not coming originate? I am asking if its possible that he is still coming and this is misinformation?
it's come from everywhere
he’s called our coaching staff
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Its scrolling at the bottom of the screen on ESPU as we speak.
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by cerebralfish on Jan 31, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
I'm finished thinking that.
I wish I could take back every kid I think signs with UT.
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Easy
Let’s back away from the ledge…… This hurts but its not the end all for this recruiting season. Dooley has yet to disappoint on signing day and I willing to give him till the ink dries before I get too upset!
Dooley's also never exactly pulled off a signing day surprise
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?
I don’t even….
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given the all caps, I'm assuming you have a name for me?
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Sure
How bout Da’Rick belwo and throw in Curt Maggitt for good measure.
If I remember correctly we got four last NSD that we, here, considered surprises to some degree or another.
Furthermore, who gives a damn if it’s on NSD or not? He held on to AJ Johnson and got some others too.
If Cordarrelle Patterson commits tomorrow will that be a surprise? Will we start drinking the kool-aid again? What about Quinshad or Kirven?
Any of these kids following through on a committment they made almost a year ago is the biggest surprise to me.
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Curt Maggitt made his decision the Monday before signing day. So did Byron Moore
I discussed Da’Rick below.
And you were the one who brought up NSD, not me, so don’t go accusing me of making too much of it
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry
you did not bring up NSD. docrok brought up signing day. Either way, it wasn’t my point, so don’t make a big deal of it when arguing against me
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
I brought up NSD
Because obviously what the recruits say mean nothing till its on paper. And I did not mention surprises I said Dooley has yet to disappoint.
I didn't read those reponses.
In a thread like this where things start imploding over something inconsequential I just see statements such as yours about never having a NSD surprise and, rightly or wrongly, reply to those without context.
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yeah, the discussion was more about whether we should expect to salvage this tomorrow
I believe Dooley has done a lot of good on the recruiting trail, but pulling something out of his ass on NSD is not at all his style. So if you expect that tomorrow, it’s false hope.
context
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
So, answer the question
Would a Cordarrelle, Kirven, Quinshad trifecta be a surprise or just temper the calls for a new coach until the next punch is thrown or DUI or player transfer or whatever the hell else happens?
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that would be a surprise
would still leaving a gaping hole at linebacker, but would restore a lot of my faith in Dooley as a recruiter (assuming no more decommits). and I still think he has the potential to be a good recruiter if on a good team. but elite recruiters can recruit to bad teams. and this year has been rough on that score.
losing so many assistants is still the thing that worries me the most. when you ask yourself what other professional coaches think about our coach
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
I havent examined the UT board,
but I read above there is 0 OL recruits this class? Is that true?
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by cerebralfish on Jan 31, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
True
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by Brad Shepard on Jan 31, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
this is true
we had 5+ in each of the last two classes, and we missed on our only real target of this class.
I can see why we didn’t make it a bigger priority, but we still should’ve gotten somebody
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
Never thought he would pull anything out of his ass
But I fully expect him to bring on a few of the possible recruits to finish out the class and keep it in the top 15. If he doesn’t well we can analyze that tomorrow. But not one of these recruits for this year was going to make a difference in the win loss total save maybe the two JUCO guys. And as for the coaching changes there seems to be something alot of people have overlooked, Dooley had not worked with anyone previously except Terry Joseph, so maybe the personalities clashed but he seems to have addressed that with the new hires!
when your personality clashes with 1-2 people
you shrug it off. when your personality clashes with 6 people in a group of 8 or 10, you start wondering why you’re so hard to work with.
I think we were able to upgrade in at least a few of the coaching positions, but we have nothing to suggest that the upgrades are going to hang around more than two years either. maybe they do, but we have no evidence of that
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
True
But we have no evidence they won’t either! They are all at home in the SEC. The only coach that left for another SEC school was Thompson and who did didnt see that coming really! The other guys likely weren’t cut out for the SEC!
now this is revisionary
we lost Wilcox and Sirmon because they weren’t cut out for the SEC?
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
eh, I think it's likely mostly the "had a losing season and lost to Kentucky"...
“and have a fanbase that has a running tab at the torch-and-pitchfork store.”
::AHEM::
I was still in the Dooley camp after the Kentucky loss
and even I have to say. . .
you lose to Kentucky, you bring the hotseat on yourself
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, no doubt
But I don’t know that I’d start inventing personality conflicts, when the much more obvious factor is the hotseat/fan expectation issue and coaches’ desires for stability
yeah, the personality conflicts were not my argument
although I guess I did say he might be hard to work with. what worries me is that, if your staff is confident in your abilities as a head coach and they see all the young talent in the pipeline, they have no reason to make lateral moves seeking stability. only reason to do that is if you see the Dooley ship sinking.
and that’s why this offseason has been the biggest red flag of his tenure for me
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough
It’s certainly a bit alarming. That said, look at it from an assistant’s position: even if you feel really good about a team and you feel like you’re going to succeed, you know that any team is a couple of bad injuries or crappy breaks away from losing a couple more games than you’d expect. And you also know that Dooley’s leash is getting tighter and tighter. Can’t blame people for just walking away to a less stressful position where it’s easier to succeed (and where ‘succeeding’ is a much more flexible concept)
So how many recruits has Dooley lost
Don’t count the ones that were asked to look around, just the ones that TN was still actively pursuing? I count two
are we counting silents?
because that’d bring it to at least four. all the week of signing day
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
no silents, then three this year
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Damien Jacobs
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
My mistake
Forgot him, but could it be possible he saw the writing on the wall with McCullers and decided he had a better chance somewhere else and perhaps he just likes FL better but that is still only 3 and hell LSU has lost that many
LSU also replaced them
we replaced Damien Jacobs. We did not replace Denico Autry (not officially a commit, but had us as his far and away leader for ages) or Santos or Peters. All of whom are at positions of need.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Again I agree this hurts
But TN will replace them. Just like LSU and just like Santos. And a kid saying a school is leading is just doing lip service! Additionally LSU Has not replaced the QB, Kiel! A position of need for them
Silents?
These are mere rumors and they float around pretty heavily. Typically you are a very level headed guy and we see things very closely, I just understand why you are making more of this than it is. One guy changing his mind and one guy going where he has always dreamed of going. I was most excited about Peters in this class as well however I don’t think losing him makes it an utter failure. Is it disappointing of course, but lets wait till tomorrow before we proclaim the day a disaster and see where it all pans out!
it's that they're both linebackers
and that it happened right after we decided we had too many linebackers and that we should ask a current commit to look around
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Shortage of Quality Guys
Does not dictate in my opinion taking someone that may not see the field, because if he is subpar then he won’t see the field this year and next year would get recruited over and TN would still be stuck with that scholly gone!
but it also means we're up a creek
when we only take one guy at a position where we already have very little depth
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think once the spring practice gets going
Player movement will at least minimize this and there is nothing saying TN won’t have a couple more LBs tomorrow
well, we're not really in on any others
we did offer a Cincy commit this afternoon, so we might could grab him. but, you know, a Cincy commit
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Da'Rick was 50/50 at worst
you could certainly call him a late surprise, but hardly a signing day surprise
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
:facepalm:
Why does it have to be NSD? Da’Rick wasn’t 50/50 and neither was James Stone. Dooley got them on his on in the little time he had.
Peters isn’t leaving us on NSD so is that count against him too?
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by _trey_ on Jan 31, 2012 4:59 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
if anyone wants some Schadenfreude
Cal’s class is falling apart worse than ours is
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:07 PM EST reply actions
My buddy who's a BearBacker (Cal Booster)
Apparently Wilcox has been on the road recruiting with Lupoi against Cal. Making claims that Tedford is done after this season, and showing kids current players’ GPAs who are struggling saying the academics at call are too tough.
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I'm done
I really can’t take the rampant sky-is-falling stuff anymore. I try and I try and I don’t expect everyone to always have fuzzy feelings but damn it’s one freaking guy who may not have ever panned out into anything or could have stayed hurt!
I’ll see y’all when something marginally good happens again.
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it's a straw that broke the camel's back thing
we’d be fine losing Peters if Santos were still around and we’d gotten in on Lambert or Brown or any number of others.
but it builds
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
This is quite possibly the most appropriate use of this metaphor I've ever seen
Because most people use “The straw that broke the camel’s back” as whatever the last thing that happened was, when the metaphor is actually for a tiny, mostly insignificant thing being the catalyst of collapse…and collapse appears to be what some of us are doing right now.
First – 18 year old four star linebackers who’ve never played a down are always straws. He may grow up to be a big and strong All-American, but right now he’s nothing. Let’s not lose our minds over it.
Second – Derek Dooley’s back is indestructible until September, unless he punches someone in the face, and with the climate in Knoxville I wouldn’t rule it out.
Third – For anyone who’s now thinking, “Maybe I can find Dooley on the street and pick a fight with him! That’ll get him fired for sure!!!”…that’s almost as stupid as openly hoping we’ll lose this fall.
Take a breath, friends. This hurts at a position of need. But it’s not the end of the world just yet.
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by Will Shelton on Jan 31, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
That's it.
Let’s start turning on each other because some of us believe in Dooley’s path and some of us don’t.
Come on, guys. Writing’s on the wall.
Holdin' it down on enemy grounds.
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and...
as far as I know, nobody here is campaigning for Fulmer. His coming back would absolutely wreck the fanbase, and even without that negative he still wouldn’t be and A or B level candidate.
Everyone here is going to be 100% pulling for Tennessee next season, but we are absolutely allowed to do a little bitching when we have a coach who…
Hasn’t beaten Alabama, Florida, Georgia, or South Carolina
Ended a nearly three decade long winning streak vs. arguably the worst Kentucky team in the entire stretch
Lost his defensive coordinator to a mediocre Pac-12 program
and now has managed to go from 4 high level LB commitments to 1
Seriously, what has Dooley actually done to earn anyone’s trust?
he's said intelligent things
and he’s been up against so much adversity that it’s hard to see lots of results on the field
but the roses off the field have stopped smelling sweet, and there’s no more adversity excuse this season. time to buckle in and hope we have something better than we’ve seen
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Why you calling Washington mediocre?
They’ve been a PAC 10 power with great history and tradition. They’ve been down recently like us but that is very the kind of SEC arrogance that turn non SEC people off.
they are mediocre right now...
Heck, Minnesota has like 8 national titles but I don’t see anyone clamoring to go there.
but they were national title contenders as recently as 2000
that’s not that long ago to call them down and out
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
And so are we, so what's your point
One could argue that Washington is farther down the road to recovery then we are.
You can trust he will
be very entertaining in his pressers.
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by cerebralfish on Jan 31, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
I am not campaigning for Dooley either
I am simply saying that even a marginal coach gets this TN team to 8 wins next year which keeps Dooley his job. But a good coach gets to 10 wins. An outstanding coach gets more than 10. I will campaign for Dooley after he gets to 10 till then I am just being slightly objective about all this.
oh yeah, he stays at 8
I’ll feel good about him at 9 or 10
alls I’m sayin is these are warning signs
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with warning signs
Losing to KY was without a doubt a warning sign but I just don’t think this is a warning sign about his abilities. Due to staff turnover and shitty season of course kids are going to change their minds especially when an 11 win team comes calling! Ark is a dark horse west champion. He is still an 18 year old kid that is easily swayed! If the bottom falls out tomorrow sure it would be a sign but not at this point in my opinion.
there are whispers about Bourque and McNeil
this class could be average (by Tennessee standards, which is good by national standards), but there’s room for disaster if things fall wrong. of course, if Patterson and Kirven surprise us, we could be feeling pretty good tomorrow
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
and this is true
but today isn’t giving off warm fuzzies. reminds me too much of JuCo signing day
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
I get the heebie jeebies whenever I get bad news
But I am also goin on 38 and realize that things are never as bad as they seem nor as good as they seem. Its always somewhere in the middle.
I can...
but it would take some strange things to not at least be competing for that 8th win.
A Bray injury, a defensive collapse due to a new system, or personal conflicts could conceivably implode a season.
pretty much this
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
If this truly is Bray, Hunter, and Rogers last year
They will have to have Monster Seasons, and against the top competition or there is no leaving early. Not with any hope of big draft day.Having all the measurables is not enough they have to show that they do it against good teams. And if they have monster seasons no way at all there is less than 8 wins irregardless of the defense, (for proof see Ark). And sorry Bray going down does not lower the expectation in my opinion because Worley will be more developed and more experienced!
Worley lowers them for me...
not because he isn’t good, but because he won’t have anywhere near the reps with the first team WRs. It’s really easy to underestimate the importance of developing a rhythm between QBs and WRs.
Not for me.......
Injuries happen to every team and the coaches have to expect that. If Bray Hunter Rogers and AJ Johnson go down I will lower my expectation but barring that no I still don’t think there should be that much of a drop of between the ones and the twos. That is what winning teams do
I am sorry even if Dooley aint the man for the job
I do not think TN will be looking for a new coach next year. Too much experienced talent and yes there is talent on this TN. So I just don’t see Dooley losing 5. But as I have repeatedly stated 8 doesn’t convince me he is a good coach. But it does keep his job. Too big a buy out and he will have shown improvement. Be hard to sell that to a new prospective coach that you fired a coach that improved his team by 3 teams after the mess Dooley inherited. But again if he don’t make it to 10 I just don’t think he is the man for the job
Consider this
Last week sometime, we had public confirmation via a recruit’s Twitter feed that he was reading. There are probably some guys still teetering on the fence. What are we going to talk about and does it push or does it pull?
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by Joel Hollingsworth on Jan 31, 2012 5:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
man, Joel, now you've got me even more depressed
if any recruits are reading, they can make us feel better about Dooley by coming to Tennessee and playing like champions
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
It's almost Valentine's Day
Be My Bamboo.
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by Joel Hollingsworth on Jan 31, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That he was reading
Hi, recruits!
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by Joel Hollingsworth on Jan 31, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
I love that thing
Although I’m a little creeped out by the palm tree looking like it’s going to eat Bart.
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by Joel Hollingsworth on Jan 31, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
I did see pointed out elsewhere
this is the third year in a row that our top linebacking prospect has bailed very late in the game (fortunately last year, AJ and Curt took the reins nicely. This year. Oh, Justin. . . )
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 6:38 PM EST reply actions
To My Fellow VFL Fans
Like many set backs this recruiting season, this will not be the downfall of our season. I do understand the disappointment as I feel it as well. I believe its high time we band together and remember our positive recruits who really want to be here. Our future as a football program is a bright one. Last time I checked we still have a trio of future sunday players that with the addition of our upcoming recieve depth will push to another level. I just think back to what my mother told me just after Peyton lost the heisman “We are the Tennessee Volunteers, we have nothing to be ashamed of and neither does Peyton.” I mention this only to say this loss hurts but we are volunteers and we are the future.
My summary of me reading the comments:
z, z, z, z, z, stare, page down, page down, scroll, rec Hooper, go to Amazon to find some Zoloft for Brad. ;-)
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by Chris Pendley on Jan 31, 2012 7:02 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd.
2 of a mind. We really need to catch a game together.
by David Hooper on Jan 31, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Wow.
One 17 year old kid flakes out, and it’s the end of the world. I realize we’re a fragile fanbase, but good grief. Let’s and try and maintain at least a semblance of composure.
Any other LB looking at us?
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by VolsnCards5 on Jan 31, 2012 8:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
we've had a bunch lined up
they’ve all dropped, one by one. rumor has it we’re still trying to get in on Lambert (4* Rutgers commit from Jersey) and some 3* from Jacksonville who’s committed to Cincy. Name of Kenneth Bynum. But nothing that anyone is optimistic about at this point
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by Incipient_Senescence on Jan 31, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Having all of zero rated LB prospects in Tennessee...
doesn’t help matters if we decided to take a flier late.
Seriously, I don’t think there is a single LB in-state with a D1 offer. I guess I could see us throw a bone to Marquis Phelps, but we’ve honestly got some walk-ons who are probably more deserving of a temporary scholarship right now.
and luckily this will not be a problem next year...
as there will be between two and five D1 LBs coming out after next season.
Man, this thread got ugly.
I really do hope no recruits were reading this time.
This hurts, a lot, but I’m going to TRY to hold off on my ultimate judgment until tomorrow.
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by TennesseeTyrants on Jan 31, 2012 9:36 PM EST reply actions
well Jason Croom's mamma is gettin' after Otha Peters' mamma
going by her posts on VN, Petrino didn’t exactly make a good impression when recruiting Jason to Arkansas
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