Tee Martin leaves Kentucky for USC
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I heard he coached a WR to play QB one time.
Not to be a smarta$$ but what makes him a good WR coach or a good recruiter? I dont follow Kentucky football nor should I, so I mustve missed out on his dynamic coaching/recruiting ability. As far as the move, its a promotion and a huge upgrade in quality of life moving to sunny So Cal over Kentucky imo. It is also a great strategic move as he will be able to put USC’s almost imminent success next season on his resume though he will have little to do with it. They will be stacked next year and probably year’s to come. Kudos to him.
"A better ending could not have been scripted. Of course, if we had won, that would have been better." -Bobby Bowden
So you denigrate his coaching and recruiting abilities
and then admit you know nothing about either. This really doesn’t help fortify your “I’m not a troll” position.
by danmarcel on Feb 18, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Has Kentucky had a dynamic WR corp?
Has he brought in good talent? You tell me since you seem to be up on Wildcat football. From everybody who does know, I hear last year’s kentucky team was the worst in 20 years. So back to my original question, what makes him a good WR coach or a good recruiter? Enlighten me.
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by cerebralfish on Feb 19, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
I didnt say I knew nothing about the kentucky program
but rather that I dont follow them. Like most football fans, I know theyre terrible with terrible players so I just wonder why some TN fans were upset over Dooley not offering a WR coach with little to no coaching resume a job especially considering the WR corp is the lifeblood of TN right now. Likewise I’m not sure where you got the troll thing.
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by cerebralfish on Feb 19, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Let's see
He was responsible for their top three recruits this class. Pretty good considering it’s Kentucky and all.
He coached a WR that near single handily beat Tennessee this season. You know, after 26 years of losing?
He coached up Randall Cobb into a monster.
He owns Florida State.
He has a street named after him.
He is beloved by all Vol fans.
Aside from that, a terrible, awful, horrible hire had Tennessee made it amirite?
As far as you being a troll I’ll leave that up to other people to decide for themselves, but my opinion of you hasn’t changed and probably won’t after your proclaimed it would be best for Tennessee to “completely implode this season”. That’s just moronic.
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lol
He coached a WR that near single handily beat Tennessee this season.
Brian, please tell me you’re trolling a bit and don’t think this is anything remotely resembling almost true. Because it’s laughably ridiculously insane.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 19, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Well
Sort of yes, I still am shocked that a WR QB gained ONE yard against us, but yeah, we should’ve scored 80 had we paid attention.
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I'm not really shocked that they gained what they did
getting positive yardage isn’t that hard. But they had two drives the whole game of more than 20 yards. When that happens, your defense has done it’s job. And when that’s enough to win, it means Kentucky’s defense singlehandedly won the game.
I confess to also being skeptical on Tee. Jay Graham (who we hired instead) was a homerun. Tee has a pretty good reputation as a recruiter and is fairly unknown as an actual position coach. He’s only worked for really terrible teams, and I’m not sure what he’s done for them there. Lane Kiffin (who can coach offense himself) can afford to take that risk on a good recruiter with Southeast connections. I’m not so sure Dooley can
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 19, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
(which doesn't mean I don't heart Tee with all my heart, of course)
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 19, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
I never thought Tee > Jay.
I 100% wanted Jay over anyone else. I just thought Tee would have made a good addition with one of the spots given to Coiner or the new DB coach who’s name escapes me at the moment.
All in all though I’m happy with the staff he put together and happy that Tee is gonna get a shot on a bigger stage.
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So the reasons he is a good recruiter and coach is because
he owns FSU, has a street named after him, he is beloved by all Vol fans, coached a WR that nearly single handily beat TN this season, coached Randall Cobb up, and bringing in a couple 4*’s and a 3*(actually didnt UT give one of those top recruits away in Henderson?) Because I’m not a die hard TN fan doesnt make me a troll and my “completely implode” next season as being a possible positive long term for this program was echoed by an editor and a long term commentor on this site if I’m not mistaken, neither of which you attacked. I have never bashed this site or this university in any of my comments to date. I have even sat back multiple times while you have taken shots at me. Its not a good look man. Though they may not say as much to you on here Im sure your RTT peers would like you to allow neutral opinions on here without the attacks. Either way, I will continue to post my opinions and if I’m considered a troll in any way by anyone of authority(chief/mods/editors) on this site I will gladly accept that opinion and stop posting immediately as thats not me.
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by cerebralfish on Feb 19, 2012 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
Where did I call you a troll?
I called your opinion that Tennessee imploding next season being good for the program moronic, and it is moronic, and idiotic etc. etc. It also wasn’t exactly “echoed” by anyone either tbh. Show me where it was and I’ll gladly call them out for that ridiculous garbage. But, no, never called you a troll. Thanks for worrying about my “look” though. All the “RTT peers” are well aware I’m not really concerned about it.
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I'm pretty sure Brad, possibly Caban, and I
all said that completely imploding this year may put us better off long-term than an 8-4 type season that doesn’t make anyone feel secure but isn’t enough to precipitate a change.
IMO, how you frame things can make a big difference between “the only logical position” and “certified imbecile.”
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 19, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
I would much rather go 8-4 this year and trust in the process
Maybe that’s just me. I guess I’m the last optimist. I would never think imploding would be good for any program, any sport, or any school I guess. I mean, you implode any more the Fulmer’s last year and how has that turned out for us? I still think that’s a silly idea.
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if we go 8-4 this year (unless teams like UF and Mizzou are a lot better than expected), the process is probably not working
obviously firing Fulmer didn’t work out, but that doesn’t mean it was a bad decision. If we’d gone 8-4 and recorded another dud recruiting class in 2008 and kept Fulmer around, we’d be in just as bad a state as we were put in by a hire that really couldn’t have turned out worse. It was all going downhill, and we were better off making a chance unless we completely screwed up the change. Which we did (through some fault of our own and a lot of external events conspiring). But that doesn’t mean change wasn’t 100% the right thing to do.
In 2012, we need enough to see that the process is working. The best case scenario is that the process works and we see that this year. The second best option is that we make a change and hire a top notch replacement. The worst option is we do just enough to avoid making a change but not enough that we shouldn’t make a change.
You use Fulmer’s 2008 as an example of why we’re better off accepting something below expectations than blowing things up and making a big change, but what about Shula’s 2006? Or Zook’s 2004? Just because it’s bit us once doesn’t mean it isn’t the right call.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 19, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
First off, 8-4 is an impossibility, it’s either 9-4 which everyone would take on a bowl win. Or 8-5.
Either way, I really don’t care to debate this with anyone, Vol fan or no. If you would rather your team lose a bunch and see a ton of drama and coach firings than see 8 wins, I really don’t have anything to say, sorry.
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hey man
we never got into what I want to see. we got into what would be better long-term for the program. they’re not always the same thing.
how many of us wanted to see Kiffin leave? but then how many of us, after seeing the NCAA poking around, decided it was probably better for the program long-term?
now I will say that this often depends on the attitude of your AD. If your AD won’t take 8-5 as an option, then you’re better off going 8-5 and firing your coach than 5-7 and firing your coach. But if your AD requires something more extreme (which may or may not be the case here—we don’t know) AND a coaching change would be best for the program (which may or may not be the case here but I’m afraid may is more likely), then you’re better off suffering in the short-term for long-term health
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 20, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
just as an example
I know your feelings about Georgia. I don’t recall your feelings about Richt.
Would you rather Georgia go 8-4 pretty much every year and keep Richt around?
Or would you rather Georgia go 5-7 and get him fired?
I, as someone who dislikes Georgia, would rather have him stay down there. Which means that if I were a Georgia fan, I’d probably think going 5-7 and having him fired might benefit the program long-term
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 20, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
I'm only gonna say one thing on this and I'm out for good.
Have any of you hoping for a 4-8 season vs an 8-4 season thought about what might happen if they go 4-8 and don’t fire Dooley? As much as y’all would apparently like to see a change on the 4th loss next year, odds are high it isn’t going to happen even on the 6th.
I’m out.
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6 losses and no change?
now that’s just crazy talk
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 20, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Semi off-topic:
anytime anyone says “out”, I immediately put “Seacrest” in front of it. It doesn’t matter what the context is.
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by Chris Pendley on Feb 20, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
This ^
Ive said many times and I think we’ve talked back and forth that Tennesseee, with their facilities and financial backing is a quick rebuild so I wouldnt be scared of blowing a staff up in knoxville. Its a 2-3 year rebuild back to challenging for the SEC with a good hire IMO. I actually think Kiffin would have them poised to make a run at the conference this year if he didnt get offered his dream job back home.
I cant help but think Bama, LSU, UGA, USC and UF are hoping Dooley does enough to stay as they have to feel good about recruiting against him going forward. I’m sure they were all shaking in their boots when Kiffin and co came to town.
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by cerebralfish on Feb 20, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
That begs the "who would be a good hire" question.
That also begs the “who would want to come here” question, and think carefully before you answer that.
This entire conversation should be had in no fewer than 7.5 months, though.
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by Chris Pendley on Feb 20, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
sounds about right
my position has been for a while now that September will tell us all we need to know. 4-1 or 5-0 means we might be onto something after two years of fits and starts (mostly fits). 3-2 or 2-3 says get that list ready
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 20, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Butch Davis is still the guy I would target.
He is an elite recruiter, coach, and person. You really cant do better than him IMO in college football right now. He took full responsibility for the UNC deal though always maitaining he had no direct knowledge of the scandal. UNC had no choice but to make the him the fall guy anway which is fine. I wouldnt hesitate to go after him. Dont forget when he took over Miami while they were under sanctions and proved he was a straight shooter all the while leading them back to dominance. He would instantly compete for the SEC east. He’s that good. TN would be in the NC discussion very quickly.
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by cerebralfish on Feb 20, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Butch Davis is an elite recruiter.
The rest, you’re gonna have issues selling me on. One of my friends – who’s been a VT fan as long as I’ve known him – looked forward to facing Butch Davis teams. That’s not a positive sign, right?
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by Chris Pendley on Feb 20, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
His coaching record is impressive and his defenses are elite.
and I dont know any coaches who look forward to playing his UNC teams or his Miami teams. He coached Miami to 2 NCs appearances and had UNC as a NC contender before the suspensions. Anyone who can put UNC in the national championship talk in a couple years gets my vote. I mean its UNC.
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by cerebralfish on Feb 21, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
beginning of 2010
before all the suspensions came out
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 22, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Was anyone outside of Chapel Hill actually sayiing that?
I’m not saying it didn’t happen, but I have absolutely no memory of anyone considering the Tarheels a legitimate national title contender in my lifetime.
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Not saying it made sense, but there was certainly talk
Though more in a dark-horse, spoiler kind of way.
Everyone knew they were a real threat before the suspensions.
They had a top 10(I want to say #6) defense with everyone returning and then the suspensions hit. They had 9 players drafted by the NFL off that UNC team. They were the real deal. Completely loaded with talent. They ended up getting their bubble burst 1st game, losing a nail biter to LSU minus 12 players to suspension. At full strength they wouldve been a terror. Crazy thought I know, but very true.
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by cerebralfish on Feb 22, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
I think it was a given they were good
but I didnt think theyd win it all personally. I do think you could very safely say they were a top 15 team at full strength with a top 3 defense. 4 players taken in the 1st 2 rounds and 7 of the first 150 taken and that was just in the 2011 draft. Marvin Austin, Robert Quinn, Greg Little etc. High level guys and Yates at QB is pretty solid as well. Also cant forget Quinn Coples was off the edge and he will be a top 10 overall pick this year. Davis basically put together an NFL defense in Chapel Hill. Pretty amazing.
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by cerebralfish on Feb 22, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
There is a big difference in my mind...
… between “national title contender” and “I do think you could very safely say they were a top 15 team”.
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Their talent vs the rest of the ACC
was comprable to Bama’s vs the SEC. Would you say Bama is a contender next year? I would. I’m not saying they were the favorite but rather they were in the talk by every major media outlet and rightfully so with that roster and coaching staff in the ACC. Even if the suspensions hadnt occurred and they underperformed and ended up around 20th(theyre entire defense wouldve had to come to the games drunk for this to happen) that is amazing for a football team in chapel hill imo
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by cerebralfish on Feb 23, 2012 7:15 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, come on...
Being in contention for the ACC crown in football does not equal national title contender and you know it. Comparison to Bama/the SEC is laughable.
I’m not saying they weren’t talented or wouldn’t have been hypothetically a good team had they not been cheating. I’m just saying that I don’t remember anyone discussing them as a national title contender.
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I'm saying the talent disparity between UNC
and the rest of the ACC was very big thus giving them the chance to run the table there. I’m not saying the ACC is better than the SEC of course. ESPN had them listed as one of the top 20 teams with a title shot. Bleacher report had them as the 2011 dark horse title contender. The ACC/SEC blog listed them as the dark horse title contender. Docsports, hubpages, etc. UNC and title contender, title dark horse, or sleeper title favorite was everywhere. Once again I’m not saying that they were the favorite but they were in the talk. Kudos to Butch Davis as they were horrible before he got there.
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by cerebralfish on Feb 23, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Again...
“One of the top 20 teams with a title shot” and random blogs calling them a dark horse do not equal legitimate title contender to me, but we’ll just have to agree to disagree. Butch Davis has indeed been a fairly successful coach, on that we agree.
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whenever there's an ACC team that's a ton better than all the others
they’re usually considered national title contenders just because their road to the championship game is so easy. I heard the same thing about Virginia Tech in 2011.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 23, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
But they didn't really have that much more talent than the rest of the league.
I’ve put far more time into Googling 2010 ACC previews than I ever thought I would, but most people picked UNC (even pre-suspensions) to lose to both FSU and Miami that year.
CFN certainly didn’t think the Tarheels were head and shoulders above the rest of the conference:
http://cfn.scout.com/2/988499.html
The Atlantic Coast Conference will once again struggle to produce a legit national title contender. Big whoop. The league wears its parity well and hasn’t been this healthy or deep in many years.
While the ACC doesn’t harbor an Alabama or Ohio State these days, it will boast as many as seven members with a legitimate shot of finishing the season in the Top 25. In place of a single powerhouse, it has a bunch of quality programs that produce tight games, cozy divisional races, and plenty of NFL talent. While no one is confusing the ACC with the SEC, it’s working for the conference, especially now that one-time juggernauts Miami and Florida State are poised for mini-revivals.
That is how I remember people thinking before that season. I do not remember people saying that UNC was by far the most talented team and a national championship contender. That is all I’ve been saying in this thread.
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VT makes a living
running through the weak coastal and scheduling OOC patsies for the most part. They had one of the worst teams in awhile this year and got an at large bid which was verging on criminal. I agree that any team who can run the table in the ACC has a great shot at winning a title. Not just because I’m an FSU fan but I would say FSU is a contender this year as they will likely be favored in every game they play. UNC was similar in 2010 if they were full strength. Whether they wouldve won the NC is always questionable, but the ACC was going to be theirs imo. The tough thing about the ACC is you HAVE to run the table where in the SEC you can take a loss or even 2 and be in the discussion. I’d love to see FSU and maybe Clemson in the SEC as they have the talent, atmosphere, and tradition to compete and fit well. Of course UF wont let that happen and its unlikely USC is hot on the Clemson idea.
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by cerebralfish on Feb 23, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
*Quinton Coples not Quinn I should say
"A better ending could not have been scripted. Of course, if we had won, that would have been better." -Bobby Bowden
by cerebralfish on Feb 22, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
He's just doing it
so he can ditch them to come to UT in a year
by dmiles on Feb 16, 2012 3:10 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
This is criminally underrec'd, you guys.
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by Chris Pendley on Feb 18, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
And remedied by one.
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by Joel Hollingsworth on Feb 18, 2012 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
ditto
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