Tennessee at Alabama Preview
They just keep getting bigger.
The most important game Tennessee can win the rest of the regular season is this one. No pressure.
Vanderbilt has a higher RPI (27), but Alabama (37) is the last chance for the Vols to earn a quality road win (though LSU, currently 66th, wouldn't hurt). The conversations we're not supposed to be having about the NCAA Tournament? Win tomorrow, and bracketologists outside Knoxville might do a little talking of their own.
Tennessee is on a roll: four straight wins, three blowouts and a W in Gainesville. Alabama is a mystery, with the status of JaMychal Green and Tony Mitchell - their two leading scorers - still up in the air. Playing at home against Florida with Trevor Releford and Andrew Steele back, the Tide were even at halftime but fell apart in the second half when they discovered one of Tennessee's old problems: a flat-line at the worst possible time, nine minutes without a made shot as the Gators pulled away for a nine point win. That leaves Alabama at 16-9 but just 5-6 in the SEC, now behind the Vols in the standings. And since Vanderbilt just tattooed Ole Miss 102-76 - in Oxford, no less, almost certainly crushing their NCAA hopes - Tennessee now finds themselves sharing fourth place in the league with only Mississippi State.
For all this talk about the Vols being the best non-Kentucky team in the league right now - which, in fairness, should be "best non-Kentucky/Vanderbilt team in the league right now", especially after last night - Tennessee has a chance to at least separate themselves from the middle tier of the league. They put Arkansas behind them Wednesday, and now can do the same to Alabama and Ole Miss.
To take the next step, Tennessee will have to beat the team that most closely resembles the Vols.
Last year, Alabama started 5-6 with losses to Seton Hall, Iowa, Purdue, Providence, Oklahoma State, and, my favorite, the St. Peter's Peacocks. But then, as if from nowhere, the Tide caught fire: a 14-2 run that included an 11-2 start in SEC play. Down the stretch, they faltered - consecutive losses at Ole Miss and at Florida - before a pair of wins over Georgia that most believed were NCAA play-in games. But, in fact, they weren't - the selection committee ignored Bama's wins over UGA in the regular season finale and the second round of the SEC Tournament, and took the Dawgs but rejected the Tide. Why, you ask? The biggest difference between the two was RPI, for better or worse: Georgia was 9-7 in the SEC but 47th in RPI. Alabama finished 12-4 in the SEC, but their RPI was 80 thanks to a SOS rating of 114.
I'm not sure if this is an accurate way to look at it or not, but it was as if the selection committee had already decided on Alabama before they even played Georgia, because beating them twice made no difference. The Tide were more or less too far off the radar in a down year in the SEC, and one speed bump was enough to do them in.
The Vols, right now, are still off the radar. The other teams in that middle tier have fallen off in the last week - Arkansas can't win on the road, and Ole Miss just got destroyed at home in their chance for a quality win - and LSU is still below .500 in the league and 67th in RPI.
But Alabama, despite their suspensions, is still in the conversation, and almost certainly in the tournament if it started today. If Tennessee wants to join them, or perhaps even replace them, there's only one way to do it: win in Tuscaloosa.
There are 345 teams in division one college basketball. Alabama is 339th in three point percentage, a robust 27.2% from the arc. Tony Mitchell is one of only three players on the team that shoots over 30%, and he could be out. So the Vols have a little more room on the defensive end, where they've been busting their butts locking down three point shooters for the past week. Uncertainty remains because we're not sure who's going to play, and the Tide have only had a couple games to sort out the difference. Freshman Rodney Cooper had 28 in Baton Rouge with the Tide playing shorthanded, but had just five against the Gators on 2 of 9 shooting.
Alabama only averages 65.5 points per game, but during the suspensions they scored just 58 on LSU and 52 on Florida. Where the Tide do excel is, like us, on the defensive end: 12th nationally in defensive efficiency (Vols are 42nd), 4th nationally in effective FG% allowed (Vols are just 102nd). Tennessee has been red hot from three recently, but the Tide are 5th nationally in three point percentage allowed, giving up just 27.6% per game from the arc. That's really impressive.
So as always, the biggest key for Tennessee remains the mental component: will the Vols be disciplined enough to get and take good shots against a great defensive team? Even without Mitchell and Green, Alabama held Florida to 40.4% from the field, 28.6% from the arc, and just 61 points overall. It was still enough to win, and for the Vols - a worse offensive team but definitely a better defensive team than Florida - it should take even fewer points to get it done. If this one ended in the 40s it wouldn't surprise me, and if it does people shouldn't fret about losing touch with our recent string of scoring 75+. Any win by any means.
Tennessee is playing the brand of basketball Alabama played last year, and has positioned themselves for the same late season run. But like the Tide last year, the Vols can't afford any late season slip ups, especially not in a game that can help their RPI more than any other left on the schedule. Tennessee has to win enough games to get themselves back in the conversation - and today could do it - but will also have to keep winning to stay there. I still believe the Vols have their NCAA fate in their own hands - and more importantly, I think they believe it too - but they have to win today. Can they play Alabama's game better than Alabama in Tuscaloosa? If so, they still have a chance to avoid Alabama's fate from last season.
Go Vols.
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I'm starting to believe
that predictions for UT men’s basketball need to just throw out all the stats and go with your gut. I say that because statistically, UT should’ve been swept by Florida, Arkansas, Georgia, and Auburn should’ve been very close.
So I’m going to go with my gut and say… Go Big Orange! Go Big Orange!
It's Great! To be! A Tennessee Vol!
We've had a lot of fun hypotheticals
but if we can go into Tuscaloosa and overcome the Tide defense, I might start actually believing that we have a shot at this thing.
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 17, 2012 10:21 AM EST reply actions
Agreed. Bama is a tough place to win for us and their bruising board work and intense half court D is why.
Stokes'd about ZoVols - don't care what the record is.
by memphispete on Feb 17, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
*are* why. Subject verb agreement ain't my strong suit.
Stokes'd about ZoVols - don't care what the record is.
by memphispete on Feb 17, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
ok I got a litle excited b/c the end of the article makes it seem like it is today
my GF is coming in town this weekend and I would be able to watch it at full attention if it was tonight
I like orange and I am a dog person
Without the GF you could "watch it at full attention"?
You must really like UT basketball. ;-)
/phrasing is fun
/sorry I’m a sicko
by JohnCoctostan on Feb 17, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Freud would love that slip
Stokes'd about ZoVols - don't care what the record is.
by memphispete on Feb 17, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
#beatBama
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Feb 17, 2012 11:09 AM EST reply actions
FWIW (on fun hypotheticals)
if we finish 4-1 for a 10-6 SEC record, we still have a good shot at the 3 seed in the conference tournament unless the loss is to Vandy. We’d need help, but reasonable help (like Miss St losing at Bama, Bama losing at Arkansas, and LSU losing at Ole Miss). If the loss is to Vandy, we’re on Kentucky’s side of the bracket. Of course, I’d rather just win them all. Of course, it all starts with
#BeatBama
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 17, 2012 1:32 PM EST reply actions
I'm not putting any eggs in any baskets anywhere...
…because the selection committee has no rhyme or reason. The make up the rules as they go along. We could win the rest of our games, go to the finals of the tournament, lose by 1 in triple overtime, and they still might not pick us. So I’m not even going to dream.
I’m generally pretty optimistic and hopeful, but the selection committee already stabbed me in the heart (and brain) too many times.
I’m just going to do what I said I was going to do at the beginning of the season. Enjoy my team.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
Oh yeah
#beatBAMA
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
In case anyone didn't see it...
NIU at UT will be shown on UTsports.com at 4pm.
Right now we’re ranked #123 on the best college baseball computer rankings… http://masseyratings.com/team.php?t=7801&s=180556
That makes us the lowest ranked SEC team by 58 spots… and an underdog in every single SEC game. We’ll definitely have plenty of chances to move up this season.
Stream is down...
they are blaming internet issues.
Scoreless in the bottom 1st, Vols at 1st and 2nd with 1 out
apparently the UT IT department...
throttled down the UTsports servers due to too much traffic.
Sounds like the IT department that I remember.
sounds like a nice start
is NIU decent?
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 17, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Eh...
they are middle of the road for the MAC, which is a actually a decent baseball conference. Kent State upset #9 Georgia Tech 5-0 in Rock Hill, SC today.
so the SEC is the SEC of baseball
and this is like beating a mediocre ACC or Big East team? NC State or Cincinnati? Or more like Air Force or San Diego State?
I know nothing about college baseball
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 17, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
gotcha
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 17, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
I really believe...
Steckenreider will be a candidate for All-America and possibly SEC POY. He is by far the most skilled player on our team.
Pretty rare when your #1 pitcher is also your #1 DH.
how did we get him?
did Raleigh actually recruit decently and just coach horribly? Or was it just kinda luck
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 17, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
He was an ok recruiter early on...
kinda fell apart this last offseason with us having 4-5 commits going pro, but Serrano is doing a fantastic job. Raleigh was like Ed Orgeron minus the hype, above average but not great recruiting, and godawful results.
Vols win 7-1...
Steckenreider = 0.00 ERA, 2 hits, 4 K in 4 innings. 2-3 hitting, 1 HR, 1 RBI
Connor Stevens = 0.00 ERA, 1 hit, 2K in 2 innings.
Chris Pierce = 1-4, 1HR, 4 RBI, 1SAC
Zach Luther and Will Maddox both had a single stolen base
We were struck out 4 times total, and had zero errors.
All in all, it was a great effort.
Awesome!
Baseball live thread!
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
hopefully enough time to get a nice lead before bounceyhoops
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 17, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
There will be two games tomorrow - both 9 innings.
They moved Sunday’s game to Saturday to beat some potentially bad weather.
by David Hooper on Feb 17, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
ah
get a nice lead before bounceyhoops and then join the second game in the third inning?
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 17, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
I've gotta get a faster internet....
I have the DSL Lite, and it doesn’t do video too well. Don’t want to spend a ton, though.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
According to Wes Rucker...
we set a record for attendance at a home opener with greater than 2,800 fans.
On ESPN's bubble watch...
They dedicate about a paragraph to what could happen if we win out. We’re not even close to their bubble according to them, but they seem to believe us winning out is certainly possible.
Perhaps I missed it but...
Is this game gonna be on TV or just on espn3?
if you're in Tennessee (or the SEC footprint in general)
you should be able to find it wherever SEC network games usually hide. If you’re somewhere else (like me), it’ll be the ’3.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 18, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Any way to look at the 4 Factors to Winning on a split season basis?
Sort of a pre-Stokes, post-Stokes deal.
If we want to lobby for the tournament, maybe a special box showing the Vols’ record, RPI, and kenpom in the same way. (me quoting me)
Stokes'd about ZoVols - don't care what the record is.
Quote not as confusing as LeBron on his return to Cleveland
but recommending a box on the front page – like the countdown to football season…
Stokes'd about ZoVols - don't care what the record is.
Today's Birmingham paper suggests Green and Mitchell are still out
Also says there are other players with a root canal, a sprained ankle, and a possible concussion who are all questionable.
All this to say…#BeatBama.
I like Tennessee and Vanderbilt. There aren't many like me, and they're probably better off for it.
by VolnVA on Feb 18, 2012 10:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions
#BeatBama
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 18, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions

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