Recruits notwithstanding, Dooley must win now - Pat Forde
Forde gets some one-on-one time in Knoxville with Dooley yesterday. There's not necessarily any new information in here, but as usual Dooley is very open about things, including what other teams were telling our recruits.
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I know this is sacrelige
But, as long as he doesn’t lose the locker room, I hope they give Dooley 4 years (though he really needs a bowl win this year). I can’t shake the feeling that he is the right man for he job in the same way that Bruce Pearl was
2015 St. Louis Rotation-- Wainwright, Garcia, Miller, Martinez, Rosenthal...towels please
by VolsnCards5 on Feb 2, 2012 11:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I have something that I can't explain telling me that too
but if we don’t win 8+ games this year, then the evidence against is becomes completely overwhelming. If the inexplicable feeling about Dooley’s ability is right, we win 9+.
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 2, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
I haven't even looked at the schedule
It can’t be as brutal as this year’s, right?
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by VolsnCards5 on Feb 2, 2012 11:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
not even close
should be easy wins: vs Georgia State, vs Troy, vs Akron, vs Kentucky
winnable, perhaps not easy: NC State (in Atl), at Mississippi State, vs Mizzou, at Vandy
toss-up: vs Florida
probable loss, but winnable: at South Carolina
toughest games: at Georgia, vs Bama
Biggest consecutive stretch of tough games: at Miss St (10/13), vs Bama (10/20), at South Carolina (10/27). everything else has a bye or a non-con weakling in between
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 2, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Gotta beat miss state and vandy
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by VolsnCards5 on Feb 2, 2012 12:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Don't think Georgia is in the same category...
as Alabama.
Honestly think Alabama is the only game that a win would REALLY surprise me in.
Georgia should, by all rights, be within 6 points of Alabama on a neutral field
in which case the home/road split (UGA in Sanford, Bama in Neyland) takes care of the difference. But I am well aware of their tendency to fall flat under the weight of high expectations.
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 2, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree on this
If you’re looking at just talent, yes. But that has been the case for the entire Richt era. Richt has made a very nice living for himself by getting mediocre results from elite talent.
No homer.
by kidbourbon on Feb 3, 2012 9:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
that's why I had the "should" and "well aware of their tendency to fall flat" qualifiers
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
Bolts, Canes, Preds (now in different conferences!). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 3, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
I agree.
I’ve felt good about Dooley since his opening press conference, and I really like him a lot.
But we have talent now. Especially on offense. If he can’t combine the talent we have and the schedule we have and find at least 8 wins, no matter how much I like him, I have to doubt his ability to coach a winner.
But I’m still crossing my fingers that this will be a special year. We’ve had a lot of bad luck. A lot of flukey stuff go the other way. I feel like regression to the mean could nearly win us a national championship this year, haha.
"Do the Titans have a miracle left in them in what has been a magical season to this point? If they do, they need it now. Christie kicks it high and short. Gonna be fielded by Lorenzo Neal at the 25; he dishes it back to Wycheck; he throws it across the field to Dyson. 30, 40, 50, 40, 30, 20, 10, 5, endzone...touchdown, Titans! There are no flags on the field! It's a miracle! Tennessee has pulled a miracle! A miracle for the Titans!"
by TennesseeTyrants on Feb 2, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
I'll settle for an SEC east championship
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by VolsnCards5 on Feb 2, 2012 12:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's exactly where my head is at
Come on Dooley prove us supporters right and win at least 9 games.
That feeling could just be indigestion
No homer.
by kidbourbon on Feb 3, 2012 9:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
it could
but I suppose that’s what this season is for
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
Bolts, Canes, Preds (now in different conferences!). Canes mini-STH. Southern hockey solidarity
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 3, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
"Just Win Baby"
I hope it works out for Dooley.
That…
-The team clicks.
-Our offense fires on all cylinders. Plenty of weapons in the passing attack. Hopefully that will open up some kind of run game. It starts with the blocking up front, which that starting five in my opinion has had plenty of experience.
-Then hopefully our defense will catch on too. Got plenty of bodies up front, just gotta find the right combination that works. JUCO guys gotta step it up and get after it. The secondary has to vastly improve, I mean too many times were we burnt bad. And plenty of other times when we should have been burnt badly.
-Coach SS has to get the D to buy into the new scheme, and I think we’ll be okay. Just keep it close because our offense should surely keep us in the game (barring major injuries.)
I’m excited. Tired of doom and gloom. Ready to be the bully and not bullied.
"We've got weapons, we've still got weapons... That's terrible, I apologize."
- Bruce Pearl
Um, Brad, did you shave yesterday?
In the national barber shop, Big Orange fans reached for the razor blades.
;-)
Formerly 'snail. You get used to it after a while.
You may say I'm a dreamer.
You know what I would love to see? I would love to see an AD, at the press conference announcing a new football hire at a BCS conference school say, I’m giving the guy 5 years. Assuming he doesn’t pull a Sandusky on me, I don’t particularly care what happens the first four. He will be judged on his entire body of work, obviously, but I’m most concerned with what happens and what direction the program is going in in year 5. 98% of the players will be his players, playing his system. Let’s give the guy an actual fair chance, and see what happens.
in the last ten years
how many coaches who have looked terrible through three years have actually turned out to be good? At least at high-level jobs, non-BCS dregs may be longer rebuilds. People thought Notre Dame didn’t get Ty Willingham a fair shake and Florida didn’t give Ron Zook a fair shake. Well look how their next jobs turned out. If you aren’t trending up by year three, you probably have issues.
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 2, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
But did Zook or Ty inherit the same kind of mess?
"We've got weapons, we've still got weapons... That's terrible, I apologize."
- Bruce Pearl
No...
but we’re also, as human beings capable of observation and reasoning, able to see things beyond wins and losses to find signs of improvement.
Honestly, the team he put on the field was much better in year 2 than year 1 up until the Hunter injury… but the spectacular failure of the run game is pretty disconcerting. Also, we lost to Kentucky… and god knows Kentucky’s talent level wasn’t in the same area code for that game.
One thing I failed to mention in my FanPost
Dooley tales the blame for Kentucky. He’s embarrassed and pissed off and all that. He knows that one is on him.
Hello ladies. Look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me.
Though I find you're respond somewhat snarky and condsending...
I was just pointing out the fact that circumstances under which he coached weren’t the same, but I realize nothing is “the same.”
Notre Dame still hasn’t returned to the successes that it had seen before Willingham. Florida, well with Urban they were arguably the best in the Nation, now not so much.
I understand your point in there must be reason and observation, and agree with you that there were some “spectacular failures.” But I like to think that there were also many improvements (Player Development, Run Defense, Passing Attack w/ Bray.)
We fail to remember that nobody came knocking down the doors for this job back when Kiffin hightailed it out of town. I just think Dooley deserves a little more time/grace/whatever you want to call it. Let’s have the season play out, and then we’ll finish this conversation.
"We've got weapons, we've still got weapons... That's terrible, I apologize."
- Bruce Pearl
Apologies if it came off as condescending...
certainly don’t mean to insult anyone here.
God knows you’ve been a great contributor here, nothing but respect.
Appreciate it, No hard feelings
Likewise to you as well.
Sometimes it’s hard to decipher.
"When you come to a fork in the road, take it."-Yogi Berra
Agree given the circumstances
That Dooley deserves to coach out his contract. If this staff can produce 9+ wins next year and recruit without all of the distractions I think they pull in a top 5 class at least on average rating. The small class size will probably hurt us on total points, but next year should be the year of recruiting difference makers.
What is the standard by which Dooley should be judged?
It sounds to me like you want Dooley to keep earning his hefty salary unless and until it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he will not succeed as head coach of the university of tennessee football team.
Is that the standard by which you would make employee retention decisions if you were running a business?
It isn’t. The plug should be pulled on the Dooley era when the evidence suggests that there is a 51% chance that he will never lead the program to the very top of the mountain. I mean, the University of Tennessee is not UNICEF. It could be that one day UNICEF will get into the business of college football, and then maybe they would give their coach 5 years. But until that time comes, you use reason and you try your best to avoid continuing to pay 2 million dollars a year to a man that is running your 50 million dollar corporation into the ground.
No homer.
by kidbourbon on Feb 3, 2012 9:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
when you're tied to a $5M severance package (that goes down as time progresses)
51% is probably too high a standard. You need a higher confidence level to make that move.
That said, lower than 8 wins this year and you can exceed even a 90% confidence of his failure. I’d say 8-4 probably gives you a high enough confidence level to make a move as well.
(actually, to be realistic, we should know what we’re doing by the end of September. 4-1 or 5-0 and we’re probably solid for 2013. 3-2 or worse and let’s bring up the coaching search candidates)
If I cared more about my UNC side, I'd call myself "Tar Volon," and that'd be awesome.
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 3, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
This is my barometer...
If Dooley is 4-1 going into October next season, I think he will at least be as good as Mark Richt which allows you to hang on a season or two longer to soften the buyout blow. If he is 5-0 then he has outcoached or the team has outplayed GA on their home field with arguably more talent but at least as much experience offensively and more defensively. I think at this point TN fans can start to point to concrete evidence that Dooley is probably the man for the job. 3-2 or worse, yes I agree time to break out the coaching search. But I truly can not see Dooley being any worse than 4-1. But that is because I really want to believe in Dooley and I know that the talent and experience is there to be minimum 4-1 and pushing 5-0.
Ty Willingham is a fluky example- he got a lot of weird bounces
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