On Second Chances, Dependability, and Consistency
by Joel Hollingsworth on Feb 24, 2012 8:01 AM EST
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- The AJC has a good article on UT signee Deion Bonner and Derek Dooley's decision to give him a second chance. Coincidentally, I re-watched the Lost episode with the I'll Have You scene last night. Best scene of the series.
- Jeronne Maymon wants to be a marriage counselor. So 20 years from now, it won't be Cuonzo Martin but distraught spouses telling him, "You better show up, or it's gonna be a terrible night." Lucky for them, Maymon tends to show up and to show up big.
- Speaking of consistency and second chances, Michael Palardy is forgetting about hitting that magical 65-yard field goal and instead focusing on hitting every single attempt inside the 45. We'll gladly have that.
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On best LOST scenes
that one is good – I think “Not Penny’s Boat” is still at the top of my list. Every time I read a list of best episodes or best scenes they always put The Constant episode at the top.
Yeah
I think the I’ll have you scene is the best scene on the best episode of season 6. Hard to argue with The Constant. Not Penny’s Boat is good, but its just too sad.
by VOLinLouisville on Feb 24, 2012 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Yep
I have three that I remember most, I’ll Have You, Not Penny’s Boat, and a more obscure “We’re all convinced sooner or later.”
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by Joel Hollingsworth on Feb 24, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Nice
I actually know the scene your talking about. I looked it up just to be sure, but I had it right. That is an epic scene. However I could sit here and talk about epic LOST scenes all day.
by VOLinLouisville on Feb 24, 2012 11:21 AM EST reply actions
Yeah, me too
I’ve been re-watching with my daughter. Found that I actually missed some episodes the first time around. Funny how trying to watch the time-traveling/flashback/flashforward episodes out of order because they’re on DVR with originals mixed in with repeats will mess with you mind. Makes a lot more sense now. Relatively speaking anyway. ;-)
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by Joel Hollingsworth on Feb 24, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Since we're having this whole LOST discussion
Was anyone else disappointed with the series ending? I mean, a lot of questions were answered, but the actual way it ended with the whole group getting in the church and all that was just kinda weak imo.
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for anyone who's a lost fan
you really need to check out these short videos How Lost Should’ve Ended and Hurley’s World (the latter is basically what Hurley would’ve done if in charge of the island). They’re both pretty perfect
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 24, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
On it
Hello ladies. Look at your man, now back to me, now back at your man, now back to me. Sadly, he isn't me.
I can't remember whose argument this was originally
but they used The Matrix as an example. Everybody loved the first one, everybody was really fired up for the second one, everyone wanted answers. At the end of the second one, The Architect gives Neo (and the audience) all of the answers. Uninterrupted, if you consider what’s happening with Trinity as part of the answers, for almost eight minutes.
And most people hated it.
(For the record, I’m in the small minority that loves it – I think all three of the Matrix films are absolutely brilliant.)
You can only build it up so far and have so big a following before people start making it up on their own. And when they do that, what you ultimately deliver never really measures up.
LOST is my favorite show, ever. I had more of a problem with the Across The Sea episode – with Allison Janney where they explained the origins of Jacob and The Man in Black – but by the finale I had just embraced the fact that it wouldn’t be perfect. And I think most things in life are best understood that way – never perfect, but can be good. The finale wasn’t perfect and I would’ve liked some things to have been more clear, but I did think it was good. And I think the series as a whole was very good. The lack of concrete answers in the finale didn’t take away from my enjoyment from things like Sawyer and Juliet, etc.
But every great drama of my lifetime seems to have ended with fans somewhat unsatisfied. Chuck, which is barely a drama, just went through this a few weeks ago. Battlestar was the same way, LOST the same way, and I didn’t get in to The Sopranos, but I know it was that way. I remember being really satisfied with some of the great comedies I’ve loved and the way they ended, but never really that way with dramas. I think The Wire is as close as anything has come, but the nature of the storyline in the fifth season lends itself to a depressing conclusion anyway.
What they deliver will never be as good as what you thought it should’ve been in your own mind. And none of them will ever be perfect. But I think there’s something to be said for embracing the story, so to speak, that allows us to enjoy it more fully.
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by Will Shelton on Feb 24, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I see what you’re saying. I loved Lost but didn’t actually start watching it until before the last season. I watched all the previous episodes in order and finished just before the last season started so everything lined up pretty well. I guess there is no good way to end a drama like that. I actually liked the Sopranos ending myself. I’ve seen that entire series three times over now I think. The Wire did have just about the best of possible endings but I didn’t necessarily enjoy the whole homeless-serial-killer-I-made-up-for-OT storyline either.
As for the Matrix, I think that explanation was about perfect. They could have gone even farther though. I can’t remember where I saw this first, but if you take in to account the graphic novels as part of the storyline, it’s pretty much humans dominating and killing machines for years and years and when the machines finally won the war they were magnanimous enough to create a dreamworld for the humans but we just had to be asses about that too.
Right now I’m watching The Shield in order, but thinking about going back to LOST after that.
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This is what I've always wondered about LOST for new viewers
because for me and many others, half the fun watching them live was trying to figure out what in the world was going on in the seven days between episodes. When you can just put in the next disc and find out instead of having to sit with it, it changes the experience, and I’m never really sure how much.
by Will Shelton on Feb 24, 2012 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
Well said
As a general rule, questions are going to be more intriguing than answers are satisfying. Author Steven James says that the best endings are both completely surprising and inevitable in hindsight. That’s a pretty good trick if you can manage it. But if the questions and mysteries are good enough, I can take some disappointment in the answers.
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by Joel Hollingsworth on Feb 24, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Steven James like my 8th grade teacher Steven James?
we’ve had this discussion before, haven’t we?
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by Incipient_Senescence on Feb 24, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, we have
He remembers you.
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by Joel Hollingsworth on Feb 24, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
I couldn't tell you the first thing about Lost
But I’m ready to have an epic discussion about The Wire any day of week and twice on Sunday.
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We're talking about TV dramas?
I didn’t watch Lost. I know, I know…
I’m going through Mad Men on Netflix right now. It’s an incredible show.
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by TennesseeTyrants on Feb 24, 2012 1:46 PM EST reply actions
I actually liked the LOST ending for the most part.
I know I’m in the minority but I think it was pretty satisfying once you go back and remember how things connect. There were a few questions that weren’tt answered that I feel should have been. Like what was so special about Walt, why was the island under water in the alternate/dead timeline, and why the heck did that guy dying at the light cause him to turn into the smoke moster?? Also, thought the church scene was a little strange in that why was Christian the voice of reason at the end. He was a jerk pretty much the whole series. Should have been Walt instead.
by VOLinLouisville on Feb 24, 2012 2:00 PM EST reply actions
I told people all of that final season that Walt would be a major player in the season finale
because I felt like they always had him as their ace in the hole, to be whatever answer they needed him to be. But I was way wrong on that one.
by Will Shelton on Feb 24, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
I am Lost on why we are discussing LOST.
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