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BlogPoller Disorder: Ballot Prewriting

Brian has put out the all-call for BlogPoll ballots and even released his first attempt... now Tennessee free! He managed to fit in Georgia Tech, Iowa, Rutgers, and Hawaii, but not the Vols. It'd be A-OK with me, high emotion and low expectation are a fine way to start a season. But it turns out overlooking UT was not a slight but an oversight on the part of Cook, one he calls himself out for:

Unranked Tennessee. Um... I do not endorse this ranking. An oversight. Where should they go?
In coming to my answer to that question, I dusted off the ranking method I used the most last year (and not that crappy victory chain mess), which is to group the teams by what I think is their relative strength, then rank the groups, then mesh the groups into one ranking. In chart form, for visual learners:
A+ A B C D
USC
Michigan
LSU
Texas
Oklahoma
West Virginia
Penn State
Louisville
Wisconsin
Ohio State
Virginia Tech
Florida
Cal
Tennessee
Arkansas
UCLA
Oregon
Georgia
Missouri
Nebraska
South Florida
South Carolina
Auburn
Texas A&M
Hawaii

Where A+ teams are basically a toss up against each other, but could beat everybody else 90% of the time, A teams could beat everybody but A+ teams 90% of the time, etc. Using that method and what I came up with in the table, I get a top 25 that looks like:

Rank Team
1 USC
2 Michigan
3 LSU
4 Texas
5 Oklahoma
6 West Virginia
7 Penn St
8 Louisville
9 Wisconsin
10 Ohio State
11 Virginia Tech
12 Florida
13 Cal
14 Tennessee
15 Arkansas
16 UCLA
17 Oregon
18 Georgia
19 Missouri
20 Nebraska
21 South Florida
22 South Carolina
23 Auburn
24 Texas A&M
25 Hawaii

Now, I've got a lot of problems with this ballot, namely, that I hate it. Well, not all of it, mostly the top four I'm pretty happy with. The next six. my "A" teams, make me way uncomfortable. In fact, other than Oklahoma (who should probably be on the A+ list) I don't think any of them are worthy of a top-10 ranking, but neither are the teams below them. Specifically:
  • I'm harboring some unreasonable grudge against WVU, the origin of which I don't even remember. In general, I know they're fast, but I'm still not a believer.
  • Ditto Louisville, a team I closely associate with WVU even though they run vastly different schemes on offense and aren't really the same team at all. Still, would anybody be surprised if Louisville has the year that WVU is supposed to have?
  • And Wisky/Tosu: toss up. They're good because of who they are. Are they this good? Probably not. Help me.
  • And that leaves PSU ranked what may be unreasonably high. They told me Morelli was a dishrag-armed nimrod. They were wrong. I'm still impressed.

The B teams don't make me real happy, either.

  • Virginia Tech should probably be in the top 10 on talent, but I've got a feeling that the emotional burden of what their season will be made to represent will take a toll on them. Maybe I shouldn't factor that in.
  • Cal and Florida are, because of some sort of bizzare reverse-homerism, in front of the Vols until UT proves they can beat them [An aside: when ranking the teams in the ABC groups, I don't count how many teams are in each column, I just go by feel. When I started this I thought Tennessee should be about 15, the method spit them out at 14. Fair enough, I think, I sure wouldn't put them any higher.]
  • Brian makes a good argument for Arkansas in the top 10, but with Marcus Monk hurt, they're too one-dimensional.
From there it's pretty much blindfolded darts. I don't mean I didn't think about it, but Phil Steele can only take you so far. Appropriately, Missouri is in this range, because there's a lot of "show me" in these teams. TCU should be here, too, at least in place of Hawaii if not higher. And I've bought into the "South Florida could be this year's Rutgers" thing. I hate the phrase "drink the kool-aid," but --

So, this ballot's a disaster. Help me fix it.

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Impossibility; with a few notes
It's been well documented that the pre-season poll is really nothing but garbage.  Pure subjection.  As such, your poll looks just about the same as everybody else's I've read in the last week or so.  I wouldn't sweat it.  With that said, here are my tweaks that I'd change in your poll:
  • Slide WVU to #4
  • PSU at #7?!  I don't buy it.  Good, but not THAT good (yet).  About a mid-teen, with everybody else.
  • Mizzou seems a bit much at #19.  Maybe you know something about their program that I don't (wouldn't have to know much!) but I don't forsee much more than a .500 team this year.
  • No love for Boise St.?  I'd slide them in lieu of TAMU...maybe as high as 19 or so.

by Aerobab on Aug 17, 2007 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

This is good
Between you and dmac below, I'm getting talked off PSU. I was hoping that would happen. Drop them in the teens.

West Virginia... as they say in Dumb and Dumber, "That John Denver's full of %$#@, man."

Man of Steele is VHTing Mizzou as the team to beat in the Big 12 North... good QB, lots of JRs and SRs coming back from a 8-5 team last year, I don't really see them dropping to 6-6. I think Nebraska has more to prove than Missouri does (The Old School part of me cried a little after writing that).

I wrestled with the Boise/Hawaii thing for a while. I wish they both played better competition or at least played each other earlier so we'd know what they're all about. But, I can find a way to work both in. And that's ignoring what might be the best mid-major, TCU, but with Tommy Blake AWOL, they might not deserve a ranking.

by CornFromAJar on Aug 18, 2007 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

monk not dead yet
Monk's only out for the opener and maybe one or two early SEC games. Is insufficient!

by Brian at MGoBlog on Aug 17, 2007 6:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Is sufficient!
We're ranking the teams on how good they are right now, right? So if Arky doesn't have Monk right now, they're not a top-10 team right now. And if it's in italics, it has to be true.

by CornFromAJar on Aug 18, 2007 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

sec a little whacked
From a uga fan...

I would think Fla/Tenn/UGA/Auburn are all about even  right now. I really don't think Tenn beats UGA 90% of the time, and I'm even more surprised about Auburn's ranking. I would have UGA and Auburn in the B group as well - Cal and UCLA - we'll know about the perennial PAC-10 runner ups quickly, but they always seem to disappoint outside the conference. Also, that Penn St. ranking is just nutty talk. The aforementioned SEC 4 would probably all whip penn st. and maybe ohio st as well. I doubt WV and Oklahoma would be more than 50/50 against that crew as well. I would probably rather play anyone in that A group rather than V tech, Florida or Tenn. The SEC is tough to predict right now, especially the east. We'll know in about a month or so what we have I guess...go SEC.

by dmac on Aug 17, 2007 11:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Good points
Maybe that 90% thing isn't the right way to put it... it's more like the teams in one group would beat the teams in the next group most of the the time.

I tried to separate the SEC teams a little to not look like a total homer, but screw it, I might just put about half the SEC in the top 12.

Auburn's got serious offensive line problems, and o-line problems are hard to hide. If they can overcome those, they'll be good. We'll see.

Still a work in progress...

by CornFromAJar on Aug 18, 2007 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Keep PSU that high
PSU is probably the #2 team in the Big 10 this season. They have the best combo of LBs and DBs in the Big 10, probably by a mile. I don't believe teams will be able to throw on them. They are breaking in some new bodies on the DL, but PSU always has a decent run defense.

Their offense might start out a bit shaky, but I think they have the best 1-2-3 WRs in the conference. Morelli won't need to be a world beater, just efficient. Austin Scott only needs to be good.

by The Power T on Aug 19, 2007 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

The Poll System...needs to go by the wayside!
I'm just a little over half way through a ten-part series (dawgsports is my inspiration) regarding a playoff system for college football and the first thing that needs to go is the ridiculous poll ranking system...especially the pre-season polls.

With that said...my pre-season poll can be found at http://www.bcsbusters.wordpress.com/ as I've compared my poll to the USA Today Coaches Polls and AP Writers Poll.  

It's all a crap shoot at this point, but what I tend to look at is not only experience coming back, especially at the key positions, but the depth behind them as injuries are sure to happen.

Teams that I think will shine this year.

USC, Oklahoma, Nebraska, South Carolina, West Virginia, Louisville, Oregon, TCU, Hawai'i, Georgia, Texas and Miami (discipline will be a huge plus for that program).  But at this point, it's hard to say anyone is better than anyone else.  I like the idea of the A thru C grading scale.

Ben

BCSBusters - A regular Season Bracketed Playoff, Truly Making Every Game a Playoff In College Football.

by bcsbusters on Aug 20, 2007 3:22 AM EDT reply actions  

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